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To: Delacon
I guess if you want to ignore the arguments I made that is your prerogative. Do you really think we didn't secede from the British Empire? Of course the words "secession" and "revolution/revolt" mean different things, but so do "war" and "fight." All apply to what happened here when "Honest Abe" was President.

ML/NJ

14 posted on 09/17/2007 4:35:16 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Well, you used the Declaration to justifiy the south's secession as revolution. Here is Mr. Sandefur's response to that from the article:

The Declaration of Independence enunciates these principles in what is almost a syllogism: “all men are created equal... endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights... among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends... it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government....” This right and duty, however, may only be exercised after “a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute Despotism.”

The Declaration of Independence, therefore, far from recognizing any “unconditional” right of people to overthrow their government, places several important limits on rebellion: it is justified only by a collective act of self-defense, and even then, only after “a long train of abuses and usurpations.” And a rebellion which institutes a new government based not on securing individual rights, but on violating them (such as a revolution that consists of stealing people’s property(he means the south's stealing of the slaves right to own themselves), is not a legitimate revolution at all in the eyes of the Declaration’s libertarian theory; it would be merely a massive criminal

act or coup.


19 posted on 09/17/2007 5:28:07 PM PDT by Delacon (When in doubt, ask a liberal and do the opposite.)
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To: ml/nj; Delacon
Do you really think we didn't secede from the British Empire?

I remember studing about the American Revolution and the Revolutionary War when I was in school. I don't remember anything about the Secessionary War being fought between 1776 and 1783.

41 posted on 09/18/2007 1:41:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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