"Yep, it was the snake that done it."
Posted on 09/12/2007 6:51:53 AM PDT by mnehring
LUFKIN — A woman who attended a local church Sunday evening told local police she caught a whiff of something other than the Holy Spirit at an evening service.
The woman said she passed out after a guest evangelist at Lufkin First Assembly waved his hand in front of her face and she smelled a strange odor, a police report stated.
The woman said she sought treatment at a local hospital.
She said several other people passed out as well and believes the man used some type of drug on her. The woman said she did not have the Holy Spirit in her when she collapsed, said Lufkin police spokesman Lt. David Young.
Young said the department is not releasing any more information about the case pending further investigation.
Lufkin First Assembly said evangelist Chris Harvey, a Texas transplant from Australia who claims to bring out the Holy Spirit in people, gave a sermon at the church Sunday evening. He was expected to preach Monday night. Lufkin First Assembly has one of the largest congregations in the city.
Harvey's itinerary includes several stops in Texas and around the world, according to Harvey's ministry Web site at www.chrisharvey.org.
A Kingwood phone number listed on the Web site was out of service Monday morning.
Harvey is expected to return to Lufkin First Assembly Feb. 24-26, 2008.
Lufkin First Assembly Pastor Andy Salagaj did not return a call for comment Monday.
The Drugging pastor's website is: http://www.chrisharvey.org/
If you want something real disturbing, watch In The Spirit on this page (start about 1 minute in): http://www.chrisharvey.org/mediapage.html
In light of the drugging accusations, this is pretty disturbing. I always thought there was something unChristian about this behavior.
If this is true, he's a fraud. The Holy Spirit is a gift FROM God. It is not inherent in our human bodies...........
"Yep, it was the snake that done it."
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Good grief. I saw the homepage and that was enough for me.
What a fraud.
They would ‘train’ the kids to speak in tongues by playing recordings and have us imitate it. They claimed it was to help us feel comfortable ‘accepting’ the Spirit, and they encouraged us to do this in Church to be more open. Even at that age, I knew that this wasn’t accepting the spirit but a way to cause an associative response in people (group think.) They also encouraged us to ‘dance’ and ‘laugh’ in the Spirit(sic) ‘even if we didn’t feel it’ because by doing so, it would come.. I watched what happened often, we would start, and some adults would join, then others.. All I saw was an interplay of group dynamic, I never felt God in that place.
Ping,
Some of your ping lists may be interested.
New International Version (NIV)
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Nothing in here about preachers with drugs, but maybe I have the wrong translation.
Ping
Mike
You might try the Scientology Version.............
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
I think the web site has been taken down.
Too much after-shave? He should lay off the Hai Karate.
It’s there under .org not .com.
ping
He’s actually making a refinement to Charismatic/Pentecostalist language. Early Pentecostalists talked about “baptisms in the Spirit” as “receiving” the Holy Spirit. The problem was there’s an implied denigration of the recipient’s prior baptism, since the bible is plain that one receives the Holy Spirit at Baptism. So the preacher isn’t necessarily saying it’s inherent in our human bodies, only that those who experience spiritual effects had already been baptized.
Frankly, I tend to think most such preachers are B.S. I’m Catholic. However, I’m a little stunned to see the way FReepers have presumed the truth of the woman’s accusations. Any such substance would be sensed by most of those affected, and the use of a substance strong enough to instantly knock a person out would seem extraordinarily dangerous. And how is he not affected?
He’s actually making a refinement to Charismatic/Pentecostalist language. Early Pentecostalists talked about “baptisms in the Spirit” as “receiving” the Holy Spirit. The problem was there’s an implied denigration of the recipient’s prior baptism, since the bible is plain that one receives the Holy Spirit at Baptism. So the preacher isn’t necessarily saying it’s inherent in our human bodies, only that those who experience spiritual effects had already been baptized.
Frankly, I tend to think most such preachers are B.S. I’m Catholic. However, I’m a little stunned to see the way FReepers have presumed the truth of the woman’s accusations. Any such substance would be sensed by most of those affected, and the use of a substance strong enough to instantly knock a person out would seem extraordinarily dangerous. And how is he not affected?
Trichloromethane fits the bill perfectly and is very easy to obtain.
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