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To: Austin Willard Wright; SJackson
Any of Ron Paul's sins pale in comparison to Fred Thompson's public and proud stand in favor of restoring Jean "necklace" Aristide to power.

Ron Paul criticizes the US for "overthrowing" Mossadegh, a dictator who seized power in Iran unconstitutionally.

Aristide was legitimately elected and was deposed by an illegitimate military dictator.

Once restored to his elected office, Aristide did indeed turn on the Haitian Constitution and illegitimately overstayed his term of office, becoming a dictator.

But when the US returned Aristide to his rightful office, he did have a legitimate claim.

136 posted on 09/11/2007 12:40:10 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
Aristide was legitimately elected and was deposed by an illegitimate military dictator.

Wow....a freeper defending that scumb-bag Aristide. Anything for the Frederation I guess. Do any other Fred fans want to defend Aristide too? C'mon, don't be shy. Fred and Jean Claude need your help!

141 posted on 09/11/2007 12:44:08 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: wideawake; SJackson; Austin Willard Wright
Ron Paul criticizes the US for "overthrowing" Mossadegh, a dictator who seized power in Iran unconstitutionally.

Aristide was legitimately elected and was deposed by an illegitimate military dictator.

Once restored to his elected office, Aristide did indeed turn on the Haitian Constitution and illegitimately overstayed his term of office, becoming a dictator.

But when the US returned Aristide to his rightful office, he did have a legitimate claim.

Since when is it the US's job to protect the constitutions of other countries?

In case you haven't noticed we are having trouble enough defending our own constitution.

148 posted on 09/11/2007 1:01:17 PM PDT by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: wideawake
Yes, same situations.

If the FALN gets frisky, we'll have to end the occupation of Puerto Rico.

150 posted on 09/11/2007 1:02:20 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: wideawake
The U.S. did help overthrow Mossadegh,who had been constitutionally or legitimately elected. However,Mossadegh was allying himself (Iran) with Russia which would have seriously threatened the oil flow to ourselves and our allies. This was definitely not in the best interests of our country.

It was this threat against our national interests during the cold war that compelled us to intervene,help oust Mossadegh and then reestablish the monarchy and place the Shah in power.

The problem with the Shah which eventually led to his ignominious end was that he brought western,secular values into a country that to that point had been under girded and encompassed by religion. This displeased the mullahs and imams and persons who had originally helped in the overthrow of Mossadegh. They changed sides and brought back Khomeini(?/sp)in order to put an end to the increasing secularization.

Sometimes one just reaps what one sows.

161 posted on 09/11/2007 1:19:05 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: wideawake
a dictator who seized power in Iran unconstitutionally

LOL, unconstitutionally? So this would be different than other nations where dictators 'seize' power unconstitutionally (say Pakistan perhaps)? Oh I forgot a coup is 'constitutional' as long as the nation is a 'friend'...I would criticize our government for it too. None of our business. I'm not saying his point was valid, as it is not one of the 50 states of the union, I just don't care what form of government they have.

One coup is 'constitutional' while another is not. Based on nothing more than apparently US interests in the region eh? At least Mossadegh was an elected Prime Minister while Musharaf was from the military.

170 posted on 09/11/2007 3:02:51 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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