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Ron Paul: 'U.S. Has Dug a Hole for Itself in Iraq' (Johns Hopkins Speech Today)
ABC News ^ | September 11, 2007

Posted on 09/11/2007 10:52:54 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

ABC News' Nitya Venkataraman and Nancy Flores report: While his 2008 rivals in Washington, D.C. spent the morning in congressional panels debating the future of US involvement in Iraq, GOP Presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul charged the U.S. has "dug a hole for [itself]" in Iraq, and simultaneously defended his anti-war place in the Republican party and jabbed the current administration saying, "you don't have to be a war monger to be a conservative."

At a policy forum at Johns Hopkins University in Washington, D.C., Paul described Iraq as a "preemptive war" saying it was a "planned invasion and occupation" of a "country that was no threat to us whatsoever."

What might seem like bold rhetoric from the fiery Texas Republican on the anniversary of a historic day is actually nothing new for Paul. His assertions at the forum were consistent with his presidential platform and congressional career, both of which draw heavily from libertarian and constitutionalist ideals.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
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To: wideawake
The U.S. did help overthrow Mossadegh,who had been constitutionally or legitimately elected. However,Mossadegh was allying himself (Iran) with Russia which would have seriously threatened the oil flow to ourselves and our allies. This was definitely not in the best interests of our country.

It was this threat against our national interests during the cold war that compelled us to intervene,help oust Mossadegh and then reestablish the monarchy and place the Shah in power.

The problem with the Shah which eventually led to his ignominious end was that he brought western,secular values into a country that to that point had been under girded and encompassed by religion. This displeased the mullahs and imams and persons who had originally helped in the overthrow of Mossadegh. They changed sides and brought back Khomeini(?/sp)in order to put an end to the increasing secularization.

Sometimes one just reaps what one sows.

161 posted on 09/11/2007 1:19:05 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: jrooney
Who do you think we are fighting in Iraq right now? Al Qaeda,the same Al Qaeda that attacked us 6 years ago today casuing the death of over 3000 of out innocent civilians on our soil. That is who we are fighting and defeating there so we do not have to see more of our innocent civilians killed here.

I don't know that I'm a Paul nut...I'm not even really a Paul supporter. I agree with you that pulling out of Iraq now would be a mistake as we're taking AQ on directly there and leaving there would leave Iraq vulnerable to AQ and make it seem as though AQ ran us out of there. On the other hand, the last 2 National Intelligence Estimates indicate that AQ is gaining in strength and a source of their recruiting strength has been the US presence in Iraq. That's not the ravings of a nut...that's just a fact...we don't have a good option left in Iraq

But my involvement in this thread was a response to someone who suggested that Paul was taking a position against the war in Iraq because that's a popular position...that's very obviously not true.

162 posted on 09/11/2007 1:33:20 PM PDT by uxbridge
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To: saradippity
The U.S. did help overthrow Mossadegh,who had been constitutionally or legitimately elected.

Mossadegh was legitimately elected in 1951.

In 1952, he seized emergency powers over Iran and managed to get a narrow majority to support this measure.

In 1953, he attempted to extend his seized emergency powers over the objections of a parliamentary majority, the constitutional monarch and the Iranian judiciary.

In other words, he had become a dictator.

163 posted on 09/11/2007 2:14:03 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Thanks for the post.


164 posted on 09/11/2007 2:32:20 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Brilliant
The question I have is whether a Paul 3d party candidacy would take more away from the GOP nominee or from Hillary.

Dr. Paul has no intentions on running as a 3rd party or independent candidate.

Honestly guys...you sit here and spew that Paul is only 2% in the polls and won't win anyway, but at the same time there's a creeping, gnawing fear of him running 3rd party and handing the election over to Hillary. If Paul has no chance of winning, just how in the Hell is he going to give the election to Hillary in the general?

Here's a hint: Stop bashing Paul and let the primaries play out. If he runs 3rd party, I'd be the first to denounce him. But that's just me. You'll also have to convince the thousands of his supporters who have no intention on holding their noses for the GOP nominee.

165 posted on 09/11/2007 2:39:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I am one district over from Ron Paul’s district. Those Texans in those parts aren’t going to be kind to Paulie boy next go around at the voting booth.

He’s doing is 15 minutes of fame right now...


166 posted on 09/11/2007 2:41:16 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Lazarus Longer; Turbopilot
Ron Paul would be better advised to concentrate on his stengths — tax elimination, the 2A, ...drastically reducing the size and scope of gov’t. But he appears intent on emphasizing his glaring weakness.

This is a great post. FReeper Turbopilot in another thread also stated that Paul was somewhat hurting himself by dwelling on the past of his Iraq vote.

167 posted on 09/11/2007 2:41:34 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hurting himself? It’s the prime reason I’m a Duncan Hunter supporter instead. Iraq deserved to have it’s arse kicked. My big problem with the War is that we aren’t kicking it hard enough.


168 posted on 09/11/2007 2:50:20 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: MEGoody
Ronnie has become nothing more than a shill for Code Pink and Moveon.org.

Please provide documented proof of Dr. Paul's OFFICIAL campaign (Note: I said "official," because there are thousands of volunteers working for Paul's behalf) colluding with Code Pink, MoveOn.org, or any other left-wing, anti-war group.

169 posted on 09/11/2007 3:00:40 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: wideawake
a dictator who seized power in Iran unconstitutionally

LOL, unconstitutionally? So this would be different than other nations where dictators 'seize' power unconstitutionally (say Pakistan perhaps)? Oh I forgot a coup is 'constitutional' as long as the nation is a 'friend'...I would criticize our government for it too. None of our business. I'm not saying his point was valid, as it is not one of the 50 states of the union, I just don't care what form of government they have.

One coup is 'constitutional' while another is not. Based on nothing more than apparently US interests in the region eh? At least Mossadegh was an elected Prime Minister while Musharaf was from the military.

170 posted on 09/11/2007 3:02:51 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Who said anything about denouncing him? I think he might hurt Hillary more. I’m thinking we might be better off if he runs.


171 posted on 09/11/2007 3:38:40 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Who said anything about denouncing him? I think he might hurt Hillary more. I’m thinking we might be better off if he runs.


172 posted on 09/11/2007 3:39:54 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Dead Corpse

You don’t think Paul would respond hard if God forbid we were attacked again? He wouldn’t be going to the “international community” or the UN, that’s for sure.


173 posted on 09/11/2007 3:44:40 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Brilliant

A Paul 3rd party candidacy would devastate the GOP. He’d take all the libertarian/swing voters and some Reagan Democrats too.


174 posted on 09/11/2007 3:45:56 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I’m not sure how many Reagan Dems there are left in the party, or swing voters or libertarians, for that matter.


175 posted on 09/11/2007 3:49:08 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: uxbridge
"that's just a fact...we don't have a good option left in Iraq.."

Ah, a clear-thinking individual! Welcome!

FYI: Many of us RP supporters also don't agree with immediate withdrawal from Iraq, so don't feel like the lone ranger here.

Plenty of room for all those "woulda's, shoulda's, coulda's", but the fact remains; our military is over there now, so we have to continue to support them in any way we can while we also try to figure out how to end the conflict on a positive note.

176 posted on 09/11/2007 3:59:34 PM PDT by Designer
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To: Designer
FYI: Many of us RP supporters also don't agree with immediate withdrawal from Iraq, so don't feel like the lone ranger here....Plenty of room for all those "woulda's, shoulda's, coulda's", but the fact remains; our military is over there now, so we have to continue to support them in any way we can while we also try to figure out how to end the conflict on a positive note.

That's a legitimate rationale for RP supporters who put the WOT 3 to 5 out of their top 5 issues.

177 posted on 09/11/2007 4:49:28 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: No Truce With Kings

Get him defeated.


178 posted on 09/11/2007 5:56:04 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: winodog

Ron Paul is not normal. Treason isn’t normal.


179 posted on 09/11/2007 5:59:42 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: popdonnelly

Is Ron Paul really Pat Paulson’s son???


180 posted on 09/11/2007 6:02:38 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Number 1 FredHead)
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