The neocons are losing their war

star ledger ^ | 9-11-07 | paul mulshine

[Coleus]

Those deep thinkers known as the neoconservatives like to make comparisons between the so-called "war on terror" and World War II. Very well then, here's a comparison. Six years after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Adolf Hitler had already been dead and gone for 2 1/2 years. By that time, the United States had raised and trained a military of 16 million. By Dec. 7, 1947, much of that force had been disbanded because the enemy had been so thoroughly defeated.

But today, six years after the in cident that began the war on terror, Osama bin Laden is alive and kicking. As for al Qaeda, it is no longer hiding in the hills of Afghanistan but instead is on the verge of taking over Iraq -- at least in the fevered minds of some neocons. Meanwhile, a commission reported the other day that it will take an additional 12 to 18 months to complete the training of an Iraqi secu rity force that is one-50th the size of the forces the U.S. trained in World War II.

That highlights the true comparison between the war on terror and World War II. In World War II, we fought a total war against specific enemies. But in the aftermath of 9/11, George W. Bush embarked on war against one abstraction, terror, in favor of another abstraction, democracy.

"Democracy is like terrorism," says retired Gen. William Odom. "It's a sort of propaganda word that leads you into stupid policies." Stupid policies like invading Iraq, that is. Odom, who now teaches political science at Yale, has termed the Iraq war the single greatest strategic disaster in U.S. military history. But imagine if instead of declaring a vague war on terror Bush had declared a specific war on al Qaeda.

[inkling]

“Their” war?

[goldstategop]

Neocon = Jews. Just STFU, Paul Munshine. You aren't fooling any one.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Darkwolf377]

Very well then, here's a comparison. Six years after the attack on Pearl Harbor...

This kind of mindless navel-gazing, done to punch a clock, is why journalism is dying a rapid death.

[Rembrandt]

“It’s a sort of propaganda word that leads you into stupid policies.”
—
A policy like reading the Star Ledger!

[Hi Heels]

The mind boggles at this stupidity.....

[Petronski]

STRAWMAN ALERT

As for al Qaeda, it is no longer hiding in the hills of Afghanistan but instead is on the verge of taking over Iraq -- at least in the fevered minds of some neocons.

END STRAWMAN ALERT

[roses of sharon]

Ummmm, in WWII, did the Republicans, the entire media, academia, and Hollywood, work with the Nazis and Japanese against Pres Roosevelt?

[vbmoneyspender]

Sounds like Munshine is willing to put up with a much higher body count in return for a marginally shorter war.

[sawmill trash]

I’m tired of the neo-con label.
It don’t matter what I think though,...they gonna keep using it.

They = the pseudo-intellectuals that make up 99-9/10 of the left wingers.

Ain’t a one of em ever had an original thought.

[DB]

"...six years after the incident that began the war on terror..."

Can't even bring himself to name that day... Dishonest to the core... The simple truth is that that "incident" was much more destructive than the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor - and on civilians no less... So the biggest difference between now and then isn't how Bush responded but how the American people responded...

[familyop]

You're having it your way.

But we're not new conservatives ("neo-cons"--means Jewish people and those of us who love them), and it's not only our War.

The War hasn't really even started, yet. After it does, many people who complain against "neo-cons" will be among the first to know it--especially if we wait long enough for Russia to build up and get more involved with Iran.

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range—will reach London and the Vatican—May 16th, 2007)

[ansel12]

Anybody have a quick list of how many nations the allies invaded and or occupied before the war was over?

[notpoliticallycorewrecked]

By that time, the United States had raised and trained a military of 16 million.

Did this guy forget that we currently have a volunteer military. WWII was won with the a draft that deferred very few individuals.

[Hi Heels]

"in favor of another abstraction, democracy."

The number one problem with the DEMons. Democracy is simply an abstraction.

[USNBandit]

By that time, the United States had raised and trained a military of 16 million.

Understand this idiot wants us to institute the draft, ration all materials including food, switch all manufacturing to supplying the war, and once we have a bunch of bombers built begin unrestricted carpet bombing of population centers?

[roses of sharon]

Yep, and they are royally ticked that their man Saddam is no longer paying suicide bombers to kill Israeli kids daily.

Notice how they have begun their defense of the nut-job in Iran?

He is their next hope of the elimination of the State of Israel. Above all, the left and their fellow travelers on the right want Israel gone for a "stable" ME.

[endthematrix]

How goofy. So we should side with Iran who are state actors with a viable nuclear weapon program, just to get a band of fanatics holed up in the mountains of Afghanistan? But Bush may have the last say, since IMO we’ll see a Baker-Hamilton deal with the Iranians,

[rmlew]

Munshine has lost it. Putting aside the fact that there is evidence that Saddam Hussein aided Al Queda and previous related terrorist attacks against America and American interests, Does Munshine have any concept of the regime in Iran?
Red China was not terribly expansionist in the 1970's. It was spent after the Cultural Revolution and "Great Leap Forward". On the other hand, Iran is openly building nukes and wants to destroy us.

Would Munshine honestly support our invading Saudia Arabia? Does this guy not understand that not only is SA home to large oil reserves, but it is the home of the two holy sites to Islam? To invade Saudi Arabia is to have the rest of the Muslim world declare war on us.