Ron Paul on O'Reilly

September 10, 2007 | Vanity

[yetidog]

A good chance to see Ron outside the debate format. Not good.

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Ron Paul and Bill O'Reilly video

[trisham]

To me, the Ron Paul/Alex Jones/PrisionPlanet connection pretty much puts a nail in the coffin that Paul isn’t connected to the 9.11Truth movement. Plus, the fact he keeps going back to them for more and more interviews.

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Agreed. The interview is damning.

[april15Bendovr]

Everyone knows that George Will spends so much time up the posterior of mainstream media elite that we cant tell where he starts and they begin.

Wasn't it George Will who has been quoting John Kerry lately on how to fight the war on terrorism?

He has lost some credibility with me.

[trisham]

Right, because we all know that prisonplanet is a reliable source that never cherrypicks quotes or misrepresents . . .

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I listened to the interview. Did you?

[JTN]

So, all and all I thought he did a pretty good job, and raised some interesting ideas, but the format didn’t allow clear articulation of most of this.

His only real mistake was going on O'Reilly in the first place. He should have known he wouldn't be allowed to make his case the way it ought to be made. I've now seen the Youtube of his appearance, and I'm shocked, utterly shocked, to learn that he didn't really say any of the things being attributed to him on this thread (His comments about Iran acting defensively, for example, were about Iran's nuclear program - not about supporting insurgents in Iraq). And, as expected, O'Reilly lied about Paul's record, saying that he always opposed the Afghani invasion. Fortunately, Paul didn't let him get away with that.

I think he is giving a major foreign policy speech at John Hopkins sometime today or maybe tommorow which should give a better understanding of his foreign policy views.

Prepare for the quote-mining from the anti-Paul mouth foamers.

[ejonesie22]

You are correct, I am painting with a large brush. However considering the statements of Paul and the stuff spewed from his several supporters here, the splatter tends to go far...

[ejonesie22]

You are correct, I am painting with a large brush. However considering the statements of Paul and the stuff spewed from his several supporters here, the splatter tends to go far...

[billbears]

I sincerely doubt any of the old conservatives have ever had much credence with new conservatives these days. Mainly because the old agree with Ron Paul in one fashion or another. The situation in Iraq and the whole of the Middle East has been ongoing for well over a thousand years. Some of the old conservatives were caught up in the revenge aspect of 9/11 and that was achieved with Afghanistan. But they had misgivings as all conservatives, not party Republicans, had when it came to Iraq.

The only 'advice' party faithful are going to believe is if it comes from the administration or one of its talking heads that parrots the same lines. Unfortunately this isn't in the real world. It's in a vacuum that sees every situation as another replay of WWII. And this situation is definitely not that. You simply cannot fight a tactic.

[Oberon]

Ron Paul is an isolationist.

Ron Paul is a non-interventionist. He still favors international trade and international diplomacy. That isn't the same as "withdrawing from the world," and certainly isn't isolationism.

[ksen]

I listened to the interview. Did you?

I went to Prisonplanet and do not see a link for whatever interview you are speaking about. Do you have a link to it?

[George W. Bush]

Prepare for the quote-mining from the anti-Paul mouth foamers.

No doubt.

As to the interview itself, I think RP did himself some good. O'Reilly scored some points but so did RP. All in all, O'Reilly didn't go for some total hitjob on RP the way you'd see with Hannity. As interviews go on The Factor, this one was pretty fair.

You know, Ron Paul gets criticized for having appeared on certain shows, like Alex Jones. But Ron Paul pretty much goes anywhere he's invited, schedule permitting and first-come-first-served in his priority. And that includes Fox News. So I don't agree with a few people who are saying he shouldn't have appeared on Fox News. Like most things about RP, he's pretty consistent about obliging all interview requests.

[George W. Bush]

Absolutely. Ron Paul served honorably in the Air Force and in the Air National Guard from 1963-1968. There is no need to use misleading claims like "Vietnam combat flight surgeon" to describe his military career.

We should simply point out the facts of his military resume and leave it at that. I still would be interested in knowing how long he served at each overseas posting, especially if he served very long in Iran.

[mnehring]

Paul served honorably and, IMHO, we shouldn’t question his service, it is not like he is J F’n Kerry.. plus, this distracts from the debate on issue differences.

[ksen]

That isn't the same as "withdrawing from the world," and certainly isn't isolationism.

Yeah, but "withdrawing from the world" makes a much better soundbite than "noninterventionist" when on the attack.

After all, most Americans would probably agree with a "noninternventionist" foreign policy but disagree with "withdrawing from the world."

It's all in how you frame the debate.

[trisham]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t4yxOMJR7o&mode=related&search=

From Wikipedia:

Alexander Emerick Jones (born February 11, 1974) is an American radio host and filmmaker who is best known for his work in promotion of conspiracy theories.

[ksen]

The point wasn't that we are using info from them but that Paul goes to them for interviews.. ie, Paul associates himself with them..

"Paul goes to them?"

"Paul associates himself with them?"

I think you have the situation 180 degrees from how it actually is: they go to Paul and they associate themselves with him.

[mnehring]

Really, so they follow Paul and the interviews he was doing where them hounding Paul. He never went to their studios to do those interviews? Thanks for the info. I wasn’t aware that this was just a case of Alex Jones stalking Paul and his hands were tied in this matter.

[Oberon]

Yeah, but "withdrawing from the world" makes a much better soundbite than "noninterventionist" when on the attack.

I really don't see why they should be on the attack. Ask any of them, and they'll tell you Ron Paul hasn't got a snowball's chance of winning the nomination. =]

[padre35]

Extremism in the defense of libery is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue..

Barry Goldwater

[George W. Bush]

Paul served honorably and, IMHO, we shouldn’t question his service, it is not like he is J F’n Kerry.. plus, this distracts from the debate on issue differences.

Actually, it's true of Paul, Tanc, Duncan that their answers and policy don't fit well to 30-second or sixty-second soundbites. We see in the frontrunners signs of extensive debate and soundbite prep where they are drilled to issue their statements in quotable soundbite formats. So it does work better for lesser-known candidates or those with minority views in the party to have more time to explain their position accurately. RP did get a few chances to do that in this appearance on O'Reilly's show. And O'Reilly got in his hits and was a little fired-up but not on some hateful jihad against Ron Paul personally like he can get with some of his guests.

RP and his supporters don't mind a fair fight and a fair debate. This interview was fair enough but might have worked better if RP had a set of quick answers that better expressed his policy ideas. TV news simply favors a prepared candidate whose remarks fit into their soundbite format. That's not a conspiracy against Ron Paul or any other candidate. It's just how TV is. And that is a format every Republican has a right to expect their candidate to master. Ron Paul is no exception to that, whatever his policy positions. So we do have to score candidates on how well they can do with hostile interviewers, short debate format, soundbite gotchas with the press, etc. It's all fair and legitimate when we score any of our candidates because one of our primary enemies is libmedia and our nominee must master the necessary technique to overcome them, deflect them and still get out his own positive message.

In that sense, RP is no different than any other GOP candidate and must prove he has basic competence to swim in that pool of sharks. I don't care who you support, your GOP candidate must show he can do this if he expects the nomination. What's more, they owe it their supporters to do well at handling the media and the opportunities they have to speak on a national platform, not only for themselves and their supporters but to the extent they represent the party as well.

[april15Bendovr]

“I sincerely doubt any of the old conservatives have ever had much credence with new conservatives these days”

I’m sure Winston Churchill would of viewed Ron Paul like one of Neville Chamberlain adversaries.