Posted on 09/07/2007 11:24:04 AM PDT by looscnnn
Just how do you think the NRA capitulated?
Thanks 2A mama. Great analogy.
And welfare. Better to ‘manage’ the problem than to have it go away.
I’m done with that outfit. Should’ve dropped my membership long ago.
If we didn’t have individuals and groups like the JPFO and GOA pushing for the ‘extremes’, the NRA would have surrendered more of our rights. The middle is defined by the ‘extremes’ although I don’t believe it to be extreme to demand that your rights not be infringed.
The more you demand and the more you fight the more you get to keep. Unfortunately, our rights are being negotiated away so we, as in any other negotiation, have to demand it all or we get nothing and lose more.
Sure it does because what the NRA says and does still affects me and my ability to exercise my rights.
Nice strawman, but still a strawman and I never claimed to be a current member.
“...if the leadership wants him gone,...”
That’s the key question. Do they really want him gone? If not, why not?
The political power may not be there for the organization (shouldn’t we be against political power for lobbyists?) but the political power is still with the people (members and non-members) that elect the members of Congress and the President. If we work more on the education of the people, we change their views of guns, gun control, the Constitution (look at what the educational system has done), etc. we can get more Constitutionally pro gun candidates elected which will cause the demise of gun control laws.
It does not need to be just JPFO, but all pro gun groups large or small. If the NRA refuses to change, then all the other smaller groups do it and end up with the same end result as if the NRA had changed.
You are talking YEARS to achieve such status. Good luck.
The NRA wants members? They have to fire this jerk.
Not sure how long you've been in the fight for RKBA. Me? Decades, not years. Here is a quote (2000)from one of NRA's fiercest critics. Neal Knox. A rocker of boats. A man with a command presence.
"...Other organizations may boast of their defense of the Second Amendment, but all put together are no more than an irritating gnat to Congress and state legislatures. Where NRA goes we all go. When NRA goes in the wrong direction, we all go in the wrong direction. That's why it is sheer foolishness for members to resign their memberships. That's why you should vote in NRA Board elections. Who sits on the NRA Board is important-if they just don't sit."
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When Neal Knox walked into a room, people didn't tremble, the building did. I miss that guy...
Please see post 251
I had not seen the video. This reeks of Fudd-dom, and yep, this guy is headed down the Zumbo Trail. At least the first part, anyway.
I'm very aware of SAS's status...I'm the Director of Operations for SAS and I've been in the fight for decades too!
Again, I applaud your efforts.
So your saying we should just give up and not bother? Sounds like the pro amnesty crowd, “we can’t deport them all” so we should just make them legal. So what if it takes years, we need to do it any way to ensure that future generations don’t repeat the mistakes that were made.
The last time I checked JPFO was an educational group. Not a lobbying group. Is that correct?
Also, the NRA has a president, vice president, executive officers and about 75 directors on the board. Most of the small groups only have one person in charge and they are run like a family owned business. The SAF has Alan Gottlieb and the GOA has Larry Pratt's son. It's a little easier for the smaller groups to control the press releases and what gets out to the media. The Texas Rifle Association had it's president call for a ban on assault weapons around 1995. That didn't make it to the media probably because the media doesn't pay attention to the smaller groups.
Look, I am not saying for anyone to quit any group(s) nor am I trying to drum up membership for any group(s). That is for individuals to decide for themselves. Those that choose to join or stay in the NRA need to work to educate the members and create change within the organization. The same can be said for other groups when it is needed.
We need to end the caving on gun control, we need to support all gun ownership (even if we don’t own some types) and we also need to educate children not just about the Constitution but also about guns (use, care, etc.).
Yes.
Although this is most disturbing indeed , it is the very reason why I shall not ever ask permission from the FedGov to persue natural human law . For me it is equally useless to be part of a special interest group who will “ work “ with the very people who desire to enslave my God given rights .
My rights as a citizen are clearly spelled out from the Founding Fathers . There is nothing else to be debated on the matter in my world . However , these types of threads are always a great social studies class for me .
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