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Message from Ron Paul
Ron Paul 2008 ^ | September 07, 2007 | Ron Paul

Posted on 09/07/2007 10:40:07 AM PDT by NapkinUser

Edited on 09/07/2007 2:31:57 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

Has this been a hectic and encouraging time! First we got almost 17% in the Texas straw poll, an event set-up to represent the establishment, with very restrictive voting rules. That 17% of the Republican hierarchy would support our views, after a full day of pro-war propaganda, is good news. Then we won the more open Maryland Republican straw poll with 28%. In both cases, as usual, hard-working, well-organized volunteers made all the difference.

The Fox debate was a lot of fun as well. It's true that a few of the network people are not exactly with us on foreign or domestic policy (though one famous guy whispered to me that he is a libertarian), but the audience—with lots of students from the University of New Hampshire—was definitely fair and balanced, as their enthusiastic reaction showed.

My opponents called for more war, more torture, more secret prisons, more eavesdropping, more presidential power. Some seemed to identify the government and the people as if they were one entity. But you and I know that once the government moves beyond its very limited constitutional mandate, it is an opponent of the people, a rip-off operation that takes our money and our freedom and our social peace, and gives us a mess of statist pottage in return.

The government failed miserably on 911 to protect us, despite spending trillions. So the answer was supposed to be the giant, socialist Department of Homeland Security, protecting you and me from taking our toothpaste on the airplane. I was ridiculed for saying that the airlines, which know best how to protect their property, should have been allowed to arm their pilots. But then, you and I really believe in the Second Amendment. It is not just a political slogan for us.

When I discussed the blowback that came from us intervening on the Arabian peninsula, Chris Wallace asked me if I wanted to follow the marching orders of al-Qaeda. I responded that I wanted to follow the marching orders of the Constitution, and not wage undeclared, aggressive wars that cause us only trouble. This is a mystifying to some, of course, but not to more and more Americans.

There was much talk of taxes, and a pledge not to raise rates. But as usual, I was not allowed to discuss my lifelong pledge to abolish the income tax. Just holding the line, when the government takes such vast sums through an illegitimate guilty-until-proven-innocent system, is hardly enough. We need to slash taxes and spending if we are to have a future of prosperity for ourselves and our families.

After the debate, many young people gathered around the stage to discuss our ideas and ask questions about them (and to have me sign their badges). My colleagues got no such response, and after a few moments, "security" ordered me off the stage. Can't have any such demonstration of interest in liberty.

But the young are with us, and so are Americans of every stripe. Even party officials. When one of my opponent said it was OK to lose elections through supporting the Iraq war, that set party people's teeth on edge, and rightly so. The Republican party is shrinking. We need new people. It's either our ideas or President Hillary, and more and more people recognize it.

But the media, and everyone else, will be looking at fundraising totals at the end of this month. They'll judge us by how we do. And we need help to wage what we hope will be a full-scale, 50-state campaign. Please help me head into the next quarter fully armed to do battle for freedom, peace and prosperity. Make your most generous contribution https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/. This Revolution is on the move, but it very much needs your support.

Sincerely,

Ron



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; braindeadzombiecult; moonies; morethorazineplease; paul; paulistinian; poe; ronpaul
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To: elhombrelibre
I don’t care what you think, to be honest, about whose dime it was, but you seem to think Muslims are genetically incapable of doing anything but killing each other.

Don't try putting words in my mouth there mister. I simply stated that it's not our business if they want to kill each other and that IF we just HAD to go and 'save' someone, my preference would be to defend the Christians being slaughtered in Africa! Ron Paul is NOT advocating turning our foreign policy over to ANYONE. He's voted to authorized the use of force to capture or kill Bin Laden and those actually responsible for 9/11. You can speculate all you want about what country may or may not have been supplying money to Al Queida, however, we too have supported acts seen as terrorism in other parts of the world but you'll have to admit that you don't think that gives some other country some right to come here and change our form of government or the way we do things. WE ARE NOT THE WORLD'S POLICEMEN OR PEACEKEEPERS and what other countries do within their own borders and what form of government they have is NOT OUR AFFAIR. We stood down the Soviet Empire without going to war with them and they actually have the weapons and the means to deliver them to wipe us off the map! OH!! WAIT!!! There's the difference!! We don't attack China and the like because they CAN effectively fight back without having to resort to guerrilla tactics!! And Americans wonder why the rest of the world (even our 'friends') are starting to see us as bullies as opposed to the example of how things SHOULD be done!

401 posted on 09/08/2007 8:51:13 AM PDT by KentuckyWoman (The perversity of diversity is that's it's divisive, not unitive.)
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To: Iwo Jima

I linked to the quote, the exact quote can be read by all, he did not say Constitution there at all, he specifically said ‘international law’.


402 posted on 09/08/2007 9:02:16 AM PDT by mnehring (FreeRepublic- The Fredquarters of Fred08)
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To: traviskicks

Thank you kindly. I LOVED the page at the link in your sig. line........


403 posted on 09/08/2007 9:02:42 AM PDT by KentuckyWoman (The perversity of diversity is that's it's divisive, not unitive.)
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To: dcwusmc; hocndoc; trisham; ejonesie22
Lets take these one by one.. I'll type slowly so you can understand. (OH, and BTW, this is not Empire building, albeit, there is even a clause that one could justify that with; I'll explain at the end.)

Article 1, Section 8, Subsections 3 (To regulate commerce with foreign nations.)- No where in the Constitution is it outlined how commerce is regulated, it simply gives Congress the authorization to regulate commerce, so the question becomes, at what end is the commerce regulated. In the case of our presence in the ME, one of the main reasons is primarily because we receive over 50% of the life blood of our country from there. The only way to regulate commerce of this strategic element is to either produce 100% domestically (which is a nice ideal but it is not the reality of today's situation) or ensure a presence to make sure that governments who are halfway friendly, continues to be the trading partners. If, for instance, we didn't, for example, support Saddam in his war with Iran, then imagine how the ME would look today. Oil would be used as a weapon against us and the rest of the world. Similarly, our intervention when Saddam invaded Kuwait had a similar affect. Regulation of commerce is no where limited in the Constitution to domestic regulation only.

Subsection 10 (define and punish offenses against the law of nations)- This is the clause that Paul seems to completely ignore. The Constitution authorizes congress to determine (define) if a breach of a 'law of nations' is in our interest to punish. For example, Saddam broke the law of nations (as in a UN agreement) in failure to disclose and cease production of banned weapons. We determined it was in our national interest, that this breach fell under the authorization for us to step in and punish, directly authorized by Subsection 10.

Subsection 13 (To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces)- This one is pretty cut and dry, Congress is authorized to regulate 'land and naval forces. There is no limit anywhere in the Constitution as to where those forces can be used.

Article 2, Section 2, Subsection 2 (Treaties with other nations) Article 6, Subsection 2 (all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land)- This is one of the key points, and I believe it is highly vital as the Constitution gives two bodies, (Congressional and Executive) the responsibility to honor those treaties and even states that treaties are the 'supreme law of the land'.. So, what is a treaty. By definition, a treaty is an agreement with another nation, not a law within your own nation. An example of a current treaty would be our treaty with Israel to help provide defense (current treaty is the one of March, 1979). It is our Constitutional duty to honor this treaty, as others.

In all of these cases, the responsibility for deciding if any of these treaties, punishments against the laws of nations, regulations of the military and commerce, etc, lie with the Representatives of the people, (Congress) which is the intent of the Constitution, provide the voice of the people determination in these matters. If you disagree with a certain treaty (for example) then the people should elect Representatives who will create new treaties.

Oh, but I saved the best for last.. I love how the left claims we are Empire building (which we aren't) and Paul states it is against the Constitution to invade other nations, however, the Constitution has another thing to say about that.
Article 1, Section 8, Subsection 11 gives Congress, in addition to the authorization to declare war that Paul quotes so often, the ability to order captures of vessels on water or land. Since one cannot 'capture' something they already own, the authorization in Subsection 11 pretty much grants Congress the authorization to capture land as it deems necessary.

Again, all of this goes to the meat of Congress' role in the Constitution, to represent the will and needs of the people. The people make their voice in these issues through the election of Congressional Representatives.

This brings me to another odd point about Paul supporters. All of the things they complain about as being wrong, from spending, to the initial authorization and regulation of military and commercial power, etc, all originate with the Congress, not the President. Taking Paul out of the Congress basically removes a lawmaker who is your voice and putting him in a position of Commander in Chief of the military. You will lose a Congressional voice (as if Paul had a snowball's chance in hell of winning)

404 posted on 09/08/2007 9:04:36 AM PDT by mnehring (FreeRepublic- The Fredquarters of Fred08)
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To: Iwo Jima; mnehrling
You intentionally misquoted Ron Paul.

Ron Paul did bring international law to bear on his understanding of what the United States is about, but he clearly subscribes first and foremost to the Biblical texts, and subsequently to our Constitution.

One must consider whether the principles established and upheld by our Constitution extend only to our borders, or exist beyond them. A reading of the preamble makes clear we are not dealing with limited principles. The laws upon which we run this country are not by our own choosing, but derived from a larger Being, and so they are manifest both nationally and internationally.

What sets us apart from other nations is the recognition that the individual may practice, within reason, whatever faith he chooses while engaging in business without undue interference from federal authorities. Liberal Democrats seem intent to see these basic freedoms eroded, particularly where they 1.) not only defend the practice of abortion but promote it beyond reason, and 2.) usurp the right of parents to teach their children at home.

As for the religious fanatics who seek our demise, the point is lost on them that peoples can believe and practice diversely yet still be united. They will not rest until their peculiar faith has been put into play across the globe. That means we must be ever vigilant in defending our freedoms. I can assure you Dr. Paul, President Bush, a good many Republicans, and even a good many Democrats, understand this.

405 posted on 09/08/2007 9:10:33 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Well said.


406 posted on 09/08/2007 9:11:27 AM PDT by mnehring (FreeRepublic- The Fredquarters of Fred08)
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To: hocndoc
You wouldn’t stand to cheer when Paul encourages same sex marriage and turning abortion “back to the states.”

I wouldn't stand and cheer, but abortion and marriage are state issues. Roe v. Wade should been overturned and the states allowed to legislate on the subject of abortion as they think fit. That's the conservative, libertarian, and constitutional approach.
407 posted on 09/08/2007 9:18:46 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: dcwusmc

I agree with your post. A non-interventionist foreign policy is the American way.


408 posted on 09/08/2007 9:22:00 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: freedomdefender
Ron Paul’s getting the treatment that the liberals (in the Democrat and Republican parties) gave to Barry Goldwater in 64. They said Barry and his supporters were nuts.

Barry Goldwater was NOTa cut and run blame America first anti-American like the appeaser paulie girl.
409 posted on 09/08/2007 9:22:26 AM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: Iwo Jima
You intentionally misquoted Ron Paul. He clearly said that he takes his order from the Constitution, not international law.

Cut and run takes from the constitution what he wants and leaves what does not fit him out.
410 posted on 09/08/2007 9:25:21 AM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: rideharddiefast
Ping #404 for some of the parts cut and run ignores.
411 posted on 09/08/2007 9:28:44 AM PDT by mnehring (FreeRepublic- The Fredquarters of Fred08)
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To: KentuckyWoman
FReepers live inside a glass bubble. Their support for the war is not reflected in the general public opinion.

That's why there's a huge grassroots support for Dr. Paul and the smear/ridicule campaign conducted by the major news media.

412 posted on 09/08/2007 9:33:05 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (“Mind our own business, bring our troops home, defend our country, defend our borders.” - Ron Paul)
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To: elizabetty
Ron Paul fo' shizzle

Leave me alone

Posting those clothes accomplishes what, exactly? That people who hate politics are finally responding to someone who sings their tune? Where are the shirts for Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee, etc? Where are the grassroots supports for these guys? How come nobody is taking their time and money and going out campaigning for these guys?

413 posted on 09/08/2007 9:36:41 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (“Mind our own business, bring our troops home, defend our country, defend our borders.” - Ron Paul)
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To: NapkinUser

Ron Paul....the perfect opponent for Osama Bin Laden!!


414 posted on 09/08/2007 9:39:44 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: mnehrling
You are being disingenuous, to put it mildly. This is what Ron Paul said:

I’m saying -- (laughter) -- I’m saying we should take our marching orders from our Constitution. We should not go to war -- (cheers, applause) -- we should not go to war without a declaration. We should not go to war when it’s an aggressive war. This is an aggressive invasion. We’ve committed the invasion of this war, and it’s illegal under international law. That’s where I take my marching orders, not from any enemy.

Clearly, the reference to "That's" was to the Constitution, not international law.

But then you knew that. That's why you failed to post the complete quote.
415 posted on 09/08/2007 9:42:46 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: KentuckyWoman
Keep in mind that Dr. Paul has consistently supported border security, missile defense system, coast guard security, and a strong national defense overall. Not to mention his legendary support of the 2nd Amendment.

This nation would be safer under Dr. Paul than we would be under Rudy/Romney/Huckabee/McCain/Brownback and all of the Democrats combined.

The notion that terrorists would "come over here" is the biggest straw-man argument in history.

416 posted on 09/08/2007 9:44:19 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (“Mind our own business, bring our troops home, defend our country, defend our borders.” - Ron Paul)
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To: rideharddiefast

What does Ron Paul leave out of the Constitution?


417 posted on 09/08/2007 9:45:26 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: KentuckyWoman

Good post.


418 posted on 09/08/2007 9:46:38 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Keep in mind that Dr. Paul has consistently supported border security, missile defense system, coast guard security, and a strong national defense overall. Not to mention his legendary support of the 2nd Amendment.

He's major pro 2nd Amendment and major pro border security. No question.

419 posted on 09/08/2007 9:48:10 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: bray
His internet campaign is nothing more than a DNC dirty trick.

If you really believe this, then you are a bigger stooge than I originally thought.

These are mostly seminar posters who have been here for a long time to destroy FR.

Now who's the real moonbat here?

420 posted on 09/08/2007 9:48:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (“Mind our own business, bring our troops home, defend our country, defend our borders.” - Ron Paul)
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