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1 posted on 09/07/2007 7:01:52 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 09/07/2007 7:04:25 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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Well there is news from another thread: "Tests of chemicals removed from the offices of United Nations came back negative for the deadly nerve gas phosgene, two law enforcement sources told WNBC.com."

So the media will hold on to the whole "Bush lied about WMD" thing a while longer.

3 posted on 09/07/2007 7:08:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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The vials contained the chemical phosgene

Old media = slow media.

This was disputed several days ago - tests on the stuff showed no WMD.

4 posted on 09/07/2007 7:13:33 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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Excerpt From OpinionJournal.com:

"[Iraq weapons inspector David] Kay has also speculated that Saddam may have thought he had WMD because his own generals and scientists lied to him. "The scientists were able to fake programs," the chief inspector says. This is entirely plausible, because aides who didn't tell Saddam what he wanted to hear were often tortured and killed. We know from post-invasion interrogations that Saddam's own generals believed that Iraq had WMD. If they thought so, it's hard to fault the CIA for believing it too."

6 posted on 09/07/2007 7:19:40 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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The confusion is, in itself, significant. If the UN can’t keep track of their own seized materials, how are they going to track materials that someone is trying to hide?


7 posted on 09/07/2007 7:20:55 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Free commerce is the only just way to redistribute wealth.)
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To: SJackson

This has been all over the MSM. Hasn’t anyone else seen it?


10 posted on 09/07/2007 7:27:15 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: SJackson
1. Everyone in the world thought Saddam had WMDs.
2. He was allowed by Clintoon to kick out the inspectors.
Therefore the whole WMD issue falls at the feet of Clinton and Saddam.
13 posted on 09/07/2007 7:41:20 AM PDT by OSHA (Liberals will lick the boot on their necks if they think the other boot is on yours and mine.)
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To: SJackson

As always, it was the facilities and programs to produce WMD that were the whole point. Those were found.

Chem and Bio weapons stockpiles would never have been all that large anyway. You don’t need very much of either one on hand even if you’re planning to use them in upcoming combat operations. You don’t *want* very much around. It’s very much a make-and-use on-the-spot sort of thing.

Large stockpiles of such things become a very complex logistics problem. They can leak. Shelf-lives expire, and then you’ve got a big cleanup and disposal problem.

So this vision the media keeps pushing of proposed huge vaults full of thousands of chemical-filled artillery shells is just a fantasy. It would be highly unlikely that there was ever very much on hand at any given moment.

It was the means to produce them and the willingness to use them and sell them to terrorist groups that was the problem. WAS the problem. Now it’s not the problem.

Good.

:-)


16 posted on 09/07/2007 7:44:17 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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I’ve said this from day one. The left accomplished a very important victory from the start - they framed the war as imposing a burden on the US to prove Iraq had WMDs. That was never the case. The burden was on Iraq to prove it didn’t and it failed. Not finding large stockpiles was not a failure, a lie, etc. It was a mystery. Where the hell did it all go? There’s no proof it was every destroyed. To date we have no idea where the WMDs they said they had went. As Hans Blix found, they never accounted for the materials. The left reframed this war and the American public is still buying it.


17 posted on 09/07/2007 7:45:01 AM PDT by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: SJackson
The vials contained the chemical phosgene

Apparently not.

Would that affect the rest of the essay?

21 posted on 09/07/2007 8:18:13 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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I have never doubted that Saddam had WMD. I read a great book by one of his scientists who defected. He was forced to work on building a nuclear bomb for Saddam.

I was listening to a talk radio show at the time that our troops killed Saddam’s sons and one Middle Eastern guy (pro-American) called in and said, “Thank God, we’ve finally found the WMD — Saddam’s sons. They are responsible for the death of thousands.”

23 posted on 09/07/2007 8:23:20 AM PDT by bethtopaz (A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you hav)
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To: SJackson
I have never doubted that Saddam had WMD. I read a great book by one of his scientists who defected. He was forced to work on building a nuclear bomb for Saddam.

I was listening to a talk radio show at the time that our troops killed Saddam’s sons and one Middle Eastern guy (pro-American) called in and said, “Thank God, we’ve finally found the WMD — Saddam’s sons. They are responsible for the death of thousands.”

24 posted on 09/07/2007 8:23:40 AM PDT by bethtopaz (A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you hav)
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Ridiculous article. For Saddam to have WMD means he has nukes or massive stores of nerve gas and biologicals. We didn’t find anything like this, though I don’t rule out them being moved to Syria or buried in Iraq


52 posted on 09/07/2007 10:16:27 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: SJackson
Top Secret: Bush Told the Truth About WMD

And the Paulestinians are still denying it, just like their buddies at Code Pink and Moveon.org.

61 posted on 09/07/2007 11:10:54 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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69 posted on 09/07/2007 8:09:27 PM PDT by Christian4Bush ("Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech." Hold a hearing on that.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

1) Those reports came out same day as this article. Obviously, for at least a week prior to this article, the best known info. at the time was that it was phosgene. Therefore, the point that the MSN wasn’t reporting that, when everyone did believe it was the fact, still holds.

2) Notice that when the evidence was it was phosgene, MSN did NOT report it. They only started reporting on it, when it was discovered NOT to be phosgene. Then all of a sudden, the fact that it was not chemicals was big news. Interesting, huh? Chemicals... not news. No chemicals...big news.

3) And, there are still experts in the field who believe the WMD were shipped to Syria. Have we forgotten about that? Israeli intell, reports from Iraqi General Sada, and Deputy Undersecretary of Defense. Even CIA David Kay admits big trucks with program parts and not sure what else was shipped there.


70 posted on 09/12/2007 12:30:53 AM PDT by Infidel and Proud of it
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