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Ron Paul Wins Debate but Republicans Won't Gamble on Him
casinogamblingweb.com ^ | Sept 6, 2007 | casinogamblingweb.com

Posted on 09/06/2007 10:52:38 AM PDT by freedomdefender

Ron Paul clearly won the Republican presidential debate last night held in New Hampshire. Viewers were asked to text in their thoughts on who won the debate, Ron Paul received 34%, Giuliani 17%, all others lower. Fred Thompson who did not appear at the debate was clearly the largest loser as his pro-war stance and republican hard line talking points seem to be not what the people are looking for.

Sean Hannity, Fox News pundit, was clearly upset with the results and deliberately ridiculed Congressman Ron Paul. Although outpacing all other candidates by a 2-1 margin, it was clear that Chris Wallace and Brit Hume had tones of sarcasm when talking of Ron Paul. Giving absolutely no credence to Cong. Paul's responses, they even cut off his answer in a heated exchange between Paul and Huckabee, then declaring that Huckabee won the debate on that point.

Ron Paul demonstrated last night that he is the only Republican candidate that gives any thought to issues and his answers, all others gave stock replies and mostly followed the party line.

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To: freedomdefender
Watching that psycho grin on Julianni’s face is priceless.

One thing I like hearing from Paul (wish there were other candidates with the balls to do it), is the debate to shut down a number of worthless government agencies. All those overpaid, pampered for life bureaucrats would actually have to find a job.

241 posted on 09/06/2007 5:38:42 PM PDT by Globalist Goon
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To: freedomdefender
Ron Paul was a psycho last night. He did not win the debate. He came off as maybe the biggest nutjob since... I am hard pressed to come up with someone that crazy in the realm of politics.

Suffice it to say that anyone who thought Ron Paul won needs a tinfoil hat and medication.

242 posted on 09/06/2007 5:41:19 PM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: SoldierDad
If one knows a simple trick, one can vote numerous times on the polls being conducted on FR.

You see, trickery is not my game. So I was not aware of this deceit at FR. I find that troubling. But thanks for the info. I will no longer acknowledge the polls here as valid.

243 posted on 09/06/2007 5:41:46 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Forfeiture of liberty for dubious security undermines our credibility as a free nation.)
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To: SoldierDad
The only way cut and run would receive the majority of votes in any scientific poll is if they came from terrorists in Iran or Syria. The only people he is going to attract are anti-American cowards.
He is an appeaser just like Chamberlain was. He thinks if we just give the terrorists a little more they will leave us alone. Then give a little more and a little more. Nothing is worth fighting for when we should just give everything away in order keep the peace.
Tell your son or daughter the majority of people over here are proud of the job they are doing. My son recently returned from Bagdad and it was about the longest year of my life. I do not want my other son to have to go over and have to start over only because some cowards are afraid to finish the job we can finish more easily now.
244 posted on 09/06/2007 5:49:32 PM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: death2tyrants
Yeah, and I make sure I’m not brainwashed by ‘FAUX NEWS’, which is run by corporate AmeriKKKa, owned by BU$H and the other reTHUGlicans./s Your inane rhetoric gives you away.

In case you haven't noticed in the past couple of years FAUX NEWS has made some radical changes. Jerry Rivers is their new king, I expect to see B.O.R. having a Gypsy with Tarot cards as his next stunt. Hannity? He has become a Rockefeller Republican and no longer makes any pretense he is anything else but such. Thus the reason for kissing up to Rudy. Gretta? Boring. Shepherd Smith? No thanks. Brian Wilson was one of their better reporters and he's management now. That leaves who? The Beltway Boys who finish each others sentences now. John Gibson is about the only one worth listening to.

To get Breaking News after 10:00pm now I use CNN. Yes I know they are liberal but they make no pretenses being Conservative or even fair and balanced. I'm smart enough to wade through their agenda. They have a couple of good ones but mostly it's slim pickings. I would say I watch far less TV than about anyone on this thread unless they do not have one in their homes period. I watch the news maybe three times a day the rest of it I read from reliable sources.

Now one thing about Hannity. He owed Ron Paul the same courtesy and respect he has given other Republicans. His conduct last night was unprofessional. But Sean is a pro-Rudy's Boy. Rudy doesn't like Ron Paul so Sean doesn't. I am sick and tired of hearing about King Rudy and his programs liberalism in NYC. The man just happened to be mayor on 9/11 and likely done about as much as Ed Koch would have actually because they are pretty much cut from the same cloth.

Of course you don't know Jack about what I stand for politically actually. I am pro-military who thinks national defense is the first responsibility of government. I'm also pro-Constitution. I have likely made several hundred post calling on the DEMs and GOP even when Slick Willie was in office -present to raise our End Troop Strengths and re-build our military to a realistic level. But I'm realistic to understand the The Bush Team is not gonna go there as they are part of the decades old problem in the GOP goiing back to Rockefeller's run for PoTUS and continuing with Nixon, Ford, Poppy Bush, and Junior. The only relief we have seen from that disaster was from Reagan. Of course Da Bush's hated all the man stood for as did Cheney.

I think the GOP has kicked many of it's good conservatives in the teeth to please the DEMs like they did to the House Managers. One of them former Congressman Ed Bryant I have voted for several times only to have the RNC push it's or rather lately W's favorite long time friend Neo Con instead.

No I'm not a Neo Con and of course you also ignore the fact that there are two others also running in the GOP I would have no problem supporting in the general election for POTUS. I'm sick and tired of the GOP demanding I vote for it's Liberals. Bob Dole was my last such vote. BTW I'm not Libertarian either. I don't think many who read my post can call me a DEM plant even though they may not agree with me.

Here's the real problem in the GOP. When a Gun Grabber Liberal is being pushed as the party favorite then maybe it's time for those serious about Constitutional Conservatism to look elsewhere to cast out votes.

245 posted on 09/06/2007 5:50:09 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe
Here's the real problem in the GOP. When a Gun Grabber Liberal is being pushed as the party favorite then maybe it's time for those serious about Constitutional Conservatism to look elsewhere to cast out votes.

Well said American. BTTT

246 posted on 09/06/2007 5:56:30 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Forfeiture of liberty for dubious security undermines our credibility as a free nation.)
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To: takenoprisoner

Dr. Paul is telling the truth in a country that has fallen in love with the sweet lie. The fact that he has as much support as he does gives me a little more faith in my fellow Americans.


247 posted on 09/06/2007 5:56:44 PM PDT by fish70
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To: freedomdefender

This out of touch appeaser is the Jimmy Carter clone!


248 posted on 09/06/2007 5:59:55 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: SoldierDad
So, this requires people working for the company overseeing the voting to visually identify all of the phone calls coming in to register who the caller thinks won the debate? Or, is this being done by automatons? And, do you have any evidence that the company overseeing that polling information actually was using this technology? It’s one thing to say that the technology exists, and a completely different thing to demonstrate that it was implemented for these polling results. Proof would be a way to demonstrated the claim. Until then . . . (I’m waiting).

The calls would be so extensive that yes it would be automation. Well they either use automation which would require maybe two persons to program the computer or several hundred to a thousand to count votes and check numbers against a list now which do you think is more practical and realistic? It's computerized and designed to lock out the from number sent on text. Text requires an originating number.

How about it anyone in here try to vote twice and if you did what was the error message?

What you seem to be overlooking was this poll was open to everyone. Believe it or not there are Conservative DEMs. Reagn won landslides on their votes. Weyrich, Phillips, James Kennedy, Falwell, and others knew how to energize that base. In 1994 so did the GOP.

249 posted on 09/06/2007 6:00:58 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: freedomdefender
His foreign policy is closer to George Bush as candidate in 2000, when he rejected Clintonian "nation building." Now, Bush is attempting Clintonian "nation building" in Iraq. Hillary supports him - no surprise, since "nation building" is a Democrat/Clintonian concept - while Paul opposes. Paul is closer to the old Bush/old Republican position. He's also closer to the old Republican position on spending and government(he wants less of both; Bush has given us more of both).

We engaged in nation building in Japan and Germany after WW2. I suppose Ron Paul would have been against that as well.

The problem with Somalia or Yugo style nation building (Clinton style) is that it's done in an extremely half-a$$ed manner with far more concern about focus groups and "world opinion" than we're already suffering. (You think it's bad NOW...) The motivation is moral preening, making us appear to be compassionate in the eyes of the "enlightened" so we'll be called "progressive" and "evolved" at Manhattan or Hollywood dinner parties -- and actual results be damned.

Problem is the public doesn't have the stomach for a drawn-out involvement in a fight where we don't even have a side. This leads to rules of engagement designed to avoid casualties but which also ensure defeat, and -- ironically -- often increase bloodshed on all sides.

There is a totally different set of incentives here:

CLINTON STYLE: We're trying to help people and just be generally be nice (or more importantly APPEAR to be doing good to brown nose European/PC elites), and we'll avoid any real fighting that might actually make a difference for the locals and quickly pull out with egg on our face the moment the first image of a dead GI appears on TV.

BUSH DOCTRINE STYLE: We either defeat Islamist terrorism or we start memorizing the Koran.

Victory in such a war means draining the fever swamp of terrorism -- e.g., democratizing the Middle East. Basically the same as post-WW2 "nation building" but without the "post" part -- it's done on the fly, OJT. This means a learning curve and inevitable mistakes. So quit crying over failures, there are always failures in war, yes, even by the winning side, which sometimes makes even more mistakes than the losers (see Civil War). You don't have the luxury of just taking your ball and going home to sob in the corner of your room while Mom bakes you some cookies, because she'll be dead because the bully followed you home and got to her first on his way to you.

Ron Paul is just another neo-isolationist Democrat ostrich whose foreign policy ideas hang entirely on the assumption of good will from those hellbent on killing us.

250 posted on 09/06/2007 6:03:30 PM PDT by Zhangliqun (The Blue and Gray had infinitely more in common than the Blue and Red. We're headed for Civil War.)
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To: lesser_satan
...and Hannity’s cackling while Paul was trying to answer was classless and beneath contempt.

I thought it was Rudy doing the cackling.

251 posted on 09/06/2007 6:07:50 PM PDT by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: fish70
Dr. Paul is telling the truth in a country that has fallen in love with the sweet lie. The fact that he has as much support as he does gives me a little more faith in my fellow Americans.

And just when we thought we were all alone, along comes Dr. Ron Paul. They odd part is that all those saying they don't want RP are bringing the truth to the masses as well. It was afterall the naysayers who made me look. So I owe them the gratitude for that one.

Think it, feel it, believe it, and it shall be.

tnp

252 posted on 09/06/2007 6:08:39 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Forfeiture of liberty for dubious security undermines our credibility as a free nation.)
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To: Zhangliqun
BUSH DOCTRINE STYLE: We either defeat Islamist terrorism or we start memorizing the Koran

Could you fearists let us know when we'll need to start memorizing the Koran? I mean Islam has only been around 1200 years or so and I didn't know if I missed a notification from our imaginary Islamic overlords to start....

253 posted on 09/06/2007 6:09:35 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: rideharddiefast
God Bless you, and God Bless your son. I know what you mean when you speak of the longest year of a person's life. My son's been over there now more than 12 months, but it seems a lifetime ago since we were last with him. The 2nd BCT/10th Mountain is slated to redeploy back to Drum in late October or early November. For many people that might seem a short time from now. But every day feels long to me.

Believe me when I say that my son fully understands that most Americans do truly support not only the soldiers in Iraq, but their mission also. What most Americans may not understand (thanks to the Lame Stream Media) is that the vast majority of Iraqi citizens also support out soldiers and their mission.

We are at a crossroads in this country, and this next presidential election will be critical for our futures. If we do not choose the next President carefully we will doom the Iraqi people and our own. Ru Paul is but one of the many dangerous people who compound our folly each and every time their mouths open and they belch forth their hatred of America. The others are primarily the demoncratic candidates, and the demoncRats in congress. We need strong leadership for our future, not someone who will hide his head in the sand and pretend that we can all just get along.

Agan, thank you and your son. SD

254 posted on 09/06/2007 6:14:24 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: George W. Bush
"I'm guessing that many, many registered voters don't text."

Not our fault if all of you are technically lame.

Not our fault if the pollsters only call landlines when so many people under fifty only have cellphones or VoIP either.

What does any of that have to do with whether it was an accurate poll?

255 posted on 09/06/2007 6:14:49 PM PDT by Zhangliqun (The Blue and Gray had infinitely more in common than the Blue and Red. We're headed for Civil War.)
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To: cva66snipe
Again, someone trying to compare Ru Paul with Ronald Reagan. I'm not buying that this text poll was not spammed. There is no way this wackjob who lost control of his own emotions during a televised debate would garner 34% of the text polling for a Presidential debate. Common sense is all anyone needs to see this fact.
256 posted on 09/06/2007 6:17:34 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: GiveMeGoth
The stoneless Ron Paul got his head handed to him by Huckabee.

If Paul were elected president, bomb shelters would come back into fashion.

I believe Honorable Dr. Paul would probably consider American bomb shelters to be an unfair advantage over oppressed and aggrieved Arabs or Persians.

257 posted on 09/06/2007 6:18:26 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: George W. Bush
Well, that was after we were friends and allies with Saddam and Iraq. And that was after we were friends and allies of Iran. Somewhere in there, we were friends and allies with Osama before we became kind of enemies. And also there's that thing where we had to invade Panama to arrest another former friend and ally, Noriega...

You know, it's hard to find good friends. These horrible backward people are always so suspicious of our noble intent.

Extremely naive. Assumes there were all these democratic America-loving angels waiting in the wings as alternatives to these alliances of convenience and we deliberately chose the devils just so you could "sigh" at us with contempt.

In other words, what was this clearly superior alternative in each and every one of these cases you cite that the whole world missed? Who were these angels?

258 posted on 09/06/2007 6:21:48 PM PDT by Zhangliqun (The Blue and Gray had infinitely more in common than the Blue and Red. We're headed for Civil War.)
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To: takenoprisoner

Allow me to qualify my earlier comments. I’m not claiming that the polls being conducted on FR have been “spammed”. I’m mearly stating that for anyone who knows how, multiple votes could be cast. I know that this has been done on liberal websites, but I do not know that this occurs here. I’m like you in that I do not vote more than once on the polls conducted on FR. I hope that most on this site follows that same ethical behavior.


259 posted on 09/06/2007 6:22:25 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: fish70
Dr. Paul is telling the truth in a country that has fallen in love with the sweet lie. The fact that he has as much support as he does gives me a little more faith in my fellow Americans.

If he had any more support than from a few cowards it would scare me tremendously. Could you imagine if the terrorists thought America was a country of cowards. They would jump on the opportunity. Just like any bully they would pounce on the opportunity to attack anyone who is afraid to fight back.
I hope though that the cowards who would want an anti-American appeaser like cut and run are few and far between.
260 posted on 09/06/2007 6:29:12 PM PDT by rideharddiefast
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