Posted on 09/06/2007 6:01:57 AM PDT by Reaganesque
Riehl World View's Dan Riehl: "Based solely on my viewing the flow of the numbers from start to finish - on average, I honestly believe Romney resonated most strongly with the most people, conservative and moderate, in terms of the over all debate." (Dan Riehl, Riehl World View, http://www.riehlworldview.com/, 9/5/07)
Conservative Blogger's William Smith: "Mitt gives a great answer with regard to the responsibility of city government and state government." (William Smith, Conservative Blogger, http://www.conservativeblogger.com/, 9/5/07)
The American Spectator's Jennifer Rubin: Romney "[s]ays we have to have concern for the mother and change hearts and minds. Very nicely done." (Jennifer Rubin, The American Spectator, AmSpec Blog, http://www.spectator.org/blogger.asp#7970, 9/5/07)
The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza: "The focus on Romney and Giuliani reinforced the notion that the race right now is between those two men with former Sen. Fred Thompson who did not attend the debate as a potential wildcard." (Chris Cillizza, "GOP Debate Wrapup: Frontrunners Under Fire," The Washington Post's The Fix, http://blog.washingtonpost.com, Posted 9/5/07)
Heading Right's Macranger: "Romney immediately scored with his point about de facto amnesty, and he talks about shutting down the 'magnets'. Romney's doing great so far..." (Macranger, Heading Right, Heading Right Blog, http://headingright.com/page/2/, 9/5/07)
The Washington Post's Eric Pianin: "Romney's response drew loud cheers; Giuliani's polite cheers. It speaks to the difficulty of any candidate who has something less than a black and white position when it comes to immigration." (Eric Pianin and Chris Cillizza, The Washington Post The Fix Blog, http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/, Posted 9/5/07)
- Pianin: "Romney is working hard to make sure viewers know that he and Giuliani differ when it comes to immigration, seemingly slipping in the fact that New York was a 'sanctuary' city at every turn." (Eric Pianin and Chris Cillizza, The Washington Post The Fix Blog, http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/, Posted 9/5/07)
National Review Online's Kathryn Jean Lopez: "That was a serious answer from Romney [regarding intelligence and the War on Terror]. It channelled [sic] his own decision to refuse protection for an Iranian tyrant - one of those who is against us - while governor of Massachusetts. Going into mosques if they preach terror is a reasonable and necessary position. And one that someone who gets the stakes would espouse." (Kathryn Jean Lopez, "Going Into Mosques," National Review's The Corner, http://corner.nationalreview.com, 9/5/07)
The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder: "Otherwise, Romney, being very familiar with New Hampshire's inner maw, had well-thought out answers for every other question, even as three of the first four turned, in some measure, on whether he flip-flopped." (Marc Ambinder, "And The Winners Are......," The Atlantic Blog, http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com, Posted 9/5/07)
National Review's Kate O'Beirne: "Romney's '462 events' In Iowa and New Hampshire alone also effective." (Kate O'Beirne, "Ready For The Questions," National Review's The Corner, http://corner.nationalreview.com, Posted 9/5/07)
Townhall's Mary Katherine Ham: "Mitt has a good line about his 'right to be kept alive' with respect to the government's response to terror." (Mary Katherine Ham, Townhall, Townhall blog, http://www.townhall.com/blog/MaryKatharineHam, 9/5/07)
Heading Right's JASmius: "So far, I think Romney gave the best answer [on immigration and sanctuary cities]." (JASmius, Heading Right, Heading Right Blog, http://headingright.com/page/2/, 9/5/07)
He supports funding the research discussed in this article below (the same research touted by Rick Santorum -- that evil liberal. /s). Period.
What Romney actually thinks about embryonic stem-cell research.
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I am undecided at this point, I liked Huckabee, Rudy and Romney in this debate. I wouldn't support Mcain for dogcatcher.
After the debate, Romney was with Hannitty and Colmes and said in no uncertain terms that his sons' service to him was not comparable in any way to our service peoples service to our country and said that as soon as he realized the tremendous error of his words he apologized and went further to say that to make that comparison was "rediculous".
Point being that his response to H&C was much better than his response in the debate.
Not that you're influenced much by facts, but my informal research on the Mitt ping list indicates that the majority of the pingees are not Mormon. Your inability to express your point of view without religious insults thoroughly discredits whatever arguments you have with the Romney candidacy. Or any other issue for that matter. Such invective used to be more at home on a site like stormfront than at FR. Unfortunately, not my house, not my rules.
uhh... whatever. If I didn’t read the thread, how did I know that you didn’t watch the debate? Don’t answer that, I don’t want to know.
Just another example of his duplicity.
Apparently he supports research and embryos, supported Massachusetts paying for it, but now he's saying that even though he supports it he doesn't support the feds paying for it. Weasel weasel weasel.....
He's on record as supporting in theory and opposing in fact the Democrats' bill to fund the embryonic stem cell research he supports.
Governor Romney: "Americans should have the right to own and possess firearms as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution. Im proud to be among the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms."
(Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney Visits Firearms Industry's Trade Show, Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade (SHOT) Show, Jan. 12, 2007)Hasnt Gov. Romney been against the right to bear arms?
No. Governor Romney has always supported that right. The firearms bills that Governor Romney signed into law were all endorsed by the National Rifle Association and/or the Gun Owners' Action League (GOAL), which bills itself as "The Official Firearms Association of Massachusetts."
Despite a heavily Democratic anti-gun Legislature in Massachusetts, he signed a NRA-backed bill in 2006 (H. 4552) that reduced a testing requirement on certain pistol-makers before they could sell guns in Massachusetts. The Gun Owners' Action League praised Gov. Romney for his support of H. 4552.
"Target shooters are an important part of our membership and I know they will be very pleased with this change," said James Wallace, Executive Director of the Gun Owners Action League.Governor Mitt Romney signed legislation aimed at providing one clear definition of a loaded shotgun or rifle for the state's hunting enthusiasts. For years, two competing definitions had existed on the books, leaving law abiding gun owners wondering when and how they can enter or cross a public way with their firearms.
(Governor Romney Approves Exemption for Target Pistols, July 26, 2006)"On behalf of the lawful gun owners of the Commonwealth, I would like to thank Governor Romney and all who took part in the passage of this legislation. We have taken another important step in reforming the 1998 gun laws," said Jim Wallace, Executive Director of the Gun Owners' Action League. "This new law addresses a conflict that had previously caused great concern in those who use traditional muzzle loading rifles and shotguns. Now they confidently know what is expected of them and can enjoy their heritage without the fear of being prosecuted for violating a poorly written law."Gov. Romney signed legislation requiring all new hunters to take a hunter education course. The measure had the strong support of sportsmen and gun owners.
(Massachusetts Clarifies Muzzleloader Law, Buckmasters, November 22, 2005)"We are pleased with the passage of yet another correction of Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998, which created a confusing standard for acquiring a hunting, sporting or fishing license," said James Wallace, GOALs executive director. "Prior to the passage of this law some eight years ago, hunter education was mandatory for all first time hunters. While GOAL does not normally support mandatory training, it is our belief that every first time hunter should be exposed to the ethics, safety aspects and laws in Massachusetts regarding hunting before taking to the field for the first time."On the 31st anniversary of the Gun Owners' Action League, Governor Romney declared May 7, 2005 as "The Right to Bear Arms Day" in Massachusetts to honor "the right of decent, law-abiding citizens to own and use firearms in defense of their families, persons, and property and for all lawful purposes, including the common defense."
(Romney Signs Legislation to Promote Hunter Safety, July 6, 2006)
(Romney retreats on gun control, Boston Globe, January 14, 2007)Opponents of gun control and critics of Governor Romney point to the fact that he signed firearms legislation in July, 2004 that included a ban of assault weapons in Massachusetts (S.2367). However, the bill only reaffirmed an existing Massachusetts state ban on assault weapons that was enacted as part of sweeping gun control laws passed in Massachusetts in 1998, five years before Romney took office, and didn't ban any additional guns. The state ban of assault weapons enacted in 1998 was not due to disappear, nor would it have become invalid with the sunset of the federal ban in September, 2004.
(Massachusetts - Firearms Reform Bill Sent to the Governor`s Desk, National Rifle Association - Institute for Legislative Action, June 29, 2004)The firearms reform bill signed by Governor Romney in 2004 had the endorsement of the NRA, Gun Owners' Action League, law enforcement and Massachusetts gun owners. The bill added several measures these groups favored, including a lengthening of the terms of firearm identification cards and licenses to carry, namely;
1) Extending the term of a firearm identification card and a license to carry firearms from four years to six years,
2) Granting a 90-day grace period for holders of firearm identification cards and licenses to carry who have applied for renewal, and
3) Creating a seven-member Firearm License Review Board to review firearm license applications that have been denied."This is truly a great day for Massachusetts' sportsmen and women. These reforms correct some serious mistakes that were made during the gun debate in 1998, when many of our states gun owners were stripped of their long-standing rights to own firearms."
(MA State Senator Stephen M. Brewer (D), July 1, 2004)"I want to congratulate everyone that has worked so hard on this issue. Because of their dedication, we are here today to sign into law this consensus piece of legislation. This change will go a long way toward fixing the flaws created by the 1998 law. Another key piece to this legislation addresses those citizens who have applied for renewals. If the government does not process their renewal in a timely fashion, those citizens won't be put at risk because of the 90 day grace period that is being adopted today."
(MA State Representative George N. Peterson, Jr. (R), July 1, 2004)"There are a lot of good things in the bill," said Jim Wallace, legislative director of the Gun Owners' Action League, the state's leading pro-gun group. "In all, the bill represents a healing process, or the beginning of the healing process, between lawful gun owners and the Massachusetts Legislature."
(State moves on assault weapons ban, Boston Globe, June 24, 2004)The firearms reform bill signed in 2004 prohibited the sale of the same weapons in Massachusetts banned in the 1998 legislation but loosened other restrictions imposed by the 1998 gun bill. Therefore, after Governor Romney signed the gun bill in 2004, gun owners in Massachusetts had fewer restrictions on gun ownership than at any time since 1998. The bill was passed in the Senate by a vote of 36 - 1 in favor and the House passed it with no amendments or debate on a "voice" vote. This represented by far the broadest support a reform bill has ever seen in the Massachusetts State House. Only one legislator in the entire building voiced opposition to the bill.
The NRA gave Mitt Romney a rating of 'B' in the 2002 election race for Governor of Massachusetts.
(Romney retreats on gun control, Boston Globe, January 14, 2007)Mitt Romney joined the NRA in August, 2006 and signed up for a lifetime membership. Romney said of the NRA, "I think they're doing good things, and I believe in supporting the right to bear arms."
(ABC News This Week interview with Mitt Romney on Feb 18, 2007)
Governor Romney: "I know the NRA does not support an assault weapon ban. So I don't line up on that particular issue with the NRA, either does President Bush. He likewise says he supported an assault weapon ban."Campaigning in Indianapolis on Thursday, Romney said he has hunted small game since his youth. "I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear," he said. "I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will. I began when I was 15 or so, and I have hunted those kinds of varmints since then. More than two times.""Today we don't have the Brady bill because we have instantaneous background checks. That's no longer a operative or needed measure."
"But I'm a strong proponent of Second Amendment rights. I believe people, under our Constitution, have the right to bear arms."
"We have a gun in one of our homes. It's not owned by me, it's owned by my son, but I've always considered it sort of mine."
"I've been a hunter all my life, not frequently, but as a boy, when I worked on a ranch in Idaho, we used to go out shooting rabbits, because they were eating all the barley, and I got pretty good with a single shot .22 rifle, and been quail hunting more recently."
"So I'm a hunter and believe in Second Amendment rights, but I also believe that assault weapons are not needed in the public population."
(ABC News This Week interview with Mitt Romney on Feb 18, 2007)
(Romney Aims Again to Explain Hunting, Emily Udell, Associated Press, April 6, 2007)
Governor Romney was presented with legislation concerning life issues on several occasions from the 85% majority Democrat Legislature in Massachusetts. In every instance he took the pro-life position by vetoing bills or lobbying for the pro-life approach, including the following actions:He vetoed the bill providing state funding for human embryonic stem cell researchGovernor Romney: "Times of decision are moments of great clarity. Before I was Governor, the life issue was just that, an issue. But when responsibility for life or ending life was placed in my hands, I made the right decision. I chose life."
(Theo Emery, "Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney Vetoes Stem Cell Bill," The Associated Press, 5/27/05)He vetoed a bill that provided for the "morning after pill" without a prescription because it is an abortifacient and would have been available to minors without parental notification and consent
(Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, "Why I Vetoed The Contraception Bill," The Boston Globe, 7/26/05)He vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation
(Governor Mitt Romney, Letter To The Massachusetts State Senate And House Of Representatives, 5/12/05)He supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement
(John McElhenny, "O'Brien And Romney Spar In Last Debate Before Election," The Associated Press, 10/29/02)He fought to promote abstinence education in public school classrooms with a program offered by faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students. Gov. Romney's administration was the first in Massachusetts to use federal abstinence education funds for classroom programs.
(Office Of Governor Mitt Romney, Romney Announces Award of Abstinence Education Contract, April 20, 2006)
(Governor Mitt Romney's Remarks At The National Right To Life Convention Forum, June 15, 2007)Eight prominent leaders of pro-life and pro-family groups in Massachusetts wrote an open letter praising Gov. Romney for his leadership and accomplishments in these important issues and attesting to his commitment to the pro-life and pro-family causes. (This letter is a MUST READ)
Massachusetts Citizens for Life recently gave Gov. Romney their 2007 Mullins Award for Outstanding Political Leadership presented at the Mother's Day Pioneer Valley Dinner where Romney delivered the keynote speech.
Ann Romney serves as co-chairman of the Massachusetts Citizens for Life capital campaign.
Massachusetts Citizens For Life Executive Director Marie Sturgis: "Having Governor Romney in the corner office for the last four years has been one of the strongest assets the pro-life movement has had in Massachusetts."
(Kathryn Jean Lopez, "An Early Massachusetts Primary," National Review, 1/10/07)Massachusetts Citizens For Life Pioneer Valley Chapter Chairman Kevin Jourdain: "Mitt Romney was a great Governor, who served with honor and distinction. But most importantly, he was a pro-life Governor. He vetoed a number of pro-abortion pieces of legislation and made many pro-life appointments. He was always there for us."
(Kevin Jourdain, Remarks, Agawam, MA, 5/10/07)Governor Romney has received the important endorsement of James Bopp, Jr., a nationally-known attorney and leading advocate for the pro-life movement. Jim Bopp reviewed Romney's record as Governor and questioned him personally before giving Romney his endorsement. Bopp most recently joined the Romney Presidential campaign as a special adviser on life issues, an unpaid position.
Bopp wrote about the record of Gov. Romney,
"These actions as governor have lead leaders of the most important social conservative groups in Massachusetts, including Massachusetts Citizens for Life, Massachusetts Family Institute, and the Knights of Columbus, to observe that, while previous comments by Romney are, taken by themselves, obviously worrisome to social conservatives including ourselves, they do not dovetail with the actions of Governor Romney from 2003 until now and those actions positively and demonstrably impacted the social climate of Massachusetts. They conclude that Romney demonstrat[ed] [his] solid social conservative credentials by undertaking these actions, and has therefore proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.Governor Romney believes Roe v. Wade should be overturned as a first step, allowing the States to set abortion policy, as a goal that can be achieved more quickly. For a longer range goal after overturning Roe v. Wade, he supports a Human Life Amendment to the Constitution and endorses legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment's protections apply to unborn children.
(The Best Choice Is Also a Good Choice - Why social conservatives should support Mitt Romney for president, National Review Online, Feb. 21, 2007)Romney believes that controversial abortion policy should be decided through the democratic process by citizens in the several states and their elected representatives rather than by federal judicial mandate.
Governor Romney: "I understand that my views on laws governing abortion set me in the minority in our Commonwealth. I am prolife. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. I wish the people of America agreed, and that the laws of our nation could reflect that view. But while the nation remains so divided over abortion, I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate."
("Why I vetoed contraception bill", Boston Globe Op-Ed, July 26, 2005)View video of a portion of a speech delivered by Mitt Romney at the National Review Institute Conservative Summit in which he describes a pivotal event in his life while learning about stem cell research and embryo farming from Harvard research scientists. From a researcher's comment explaining that there wasn't a moral issue at stake in the embryo farming process because the embryos are destroyed after 14 days, Romney was hit hard by the harsh realization that, in his words, "We have so cheapened the value and sanctity of human life in our society that someone could think there is not a moral issue because we kill human embryos at 14 days." Gov. Romney publicly affirmed his pro-life position thereafter.
Research Briefing: Promoting A Culture Of Life: The Romney Vision Vs. The Democrat Vision
The influence of family members and events in Mitt Romney's life on matters of abortion are worth considering. They illuminate obstacles he surmounted to adopt pro-life beliefs in his private life. Mitt Romneys mother, Lenore Romney, advocated a pro-choice position in her unsuccessful 1970 run for the U.S. Senate in Michigan, writing in her campaign platform, "I support and recognize the need for more liberal abortion rights while reaffirming the legal and medical measures needed to protect the unborn and pregnant woman [sic]." Mitt Romney revealed in 1994 that his brother-in-law's sister, a close family friend, died after a botched illegal abortion in the 1960s when Mitt would have been in his teens and early 20s.
(Romney releases mother's statement on abortion issue, Boston Globe, June 28, 2005)In a 2/14/07 appearance on ABC "Good Morning America", Ann Romney talks about her personal struggle with multiple sclerosis and offers her perspective on embryonic stem cell research with a powerful, inspiring message opposing medical experimentation that could conceivably relieve her own suffering. Read a thought-provoking commentary by Alliance Defense Fund attorney David French on Ann Romney's strength of character in opposing embryonic stem cell research as seen in the ABC "Good Morning America" segment.
Gov. Romney made a $15,000 contribution in 2006 to the pro-life group Massachusetts Citizens for Life from the Tyler Charitable Foundation, a joint family trust of Mitt and Ann Romney. They also donated $10,000 to the Massachusetts Family Institute during the same time period.
The Tyler Charitable Foundation has donated more than $2.9 million to more than 40 healthcare groups, schools, and other charitable organizations since 1999.
Some observations from last nights debate;
Ron Paul is a certifiable loon and how any FReeper can support him with a straight face is way beyond me.
I like Tancredo, but there can be no doubt that hes a one issue candidate.
Rudy is a blowhard and New Yorkers can have him back. We dont want him here in the Midwest. Give him a job at Fox, maybe replacing Colmes. Hell, Hannity has him on every other night, that is, when hes not talking to Al Sharpton.
Mitts middle name is RINO.
Huckabee doesnt have a clue.
McCain blew it with his support of immigration reform, and he can talk all he wants about terrorists and the WOT, but hell soon dry up and blow away.
I was impressed with Hunter but he hardly got any questions.
And oh yes; Ron Paul is a certifiable loon.
The fact that you claim to know something that isn't true demonstrates that you haven't read the whole thread.
In a 2/14/07 appearance on ABC "Good Morning America", Ann Romney talks about her personal struggle with multiple sclerosis and offers her perspective on embryonic stem cell research with a powerful, inspiring message opposing medical experimentation that could conceivably relieve her own suffering. Read a thought-provoking commentary by Alliance Defense Fund attorney David French on Ann Romney's strength of character in opposing embryonic stem cell research as seen in the ABC "Good Morning America" segment.
Of course, when Mitt and Ann were avowedly pro-abortion in years 2004 and prior, they used Ann's multiple sclerosis as evidence of their commitment to all forms of embryonic stem cell research, and harshly criticized President Bush for opposing it.
Really sad, even sickening, they they would continue to use Ann Romney's illness for political gain -- now they've done it on BOTH SIDES of the issue!
Mitt and Rudy held their own last night. No gains no losses. I thought the night belonged to the second tier candidates although no one changed their standing in the polls. Mitt was the obvious target since he has the upward momentum. The sheriff’s remark was a cheap shot meant to humiliate Mitt who has already apologized. The whole debate was designed to attack the candidates and provided little benefit to the viewer.
Mitt was slow out of the gate and seemed preoccupied. He was a little reserved but got back in form later. His post debate interview with Hannity was much better. I was puzzled, especially by a couple of answers where he appeared to move to the center. IMO, it’s too early, but I figured the Dems are watching him closely now to use everything against him later on.
Then I remembered the article yesterday revealing the Dems had a file on Mitt. Remember Mitt’s debate answer on abortion where he made it a point to say how much he cares about the mother too? Remember that story a few months back where someone alleged he (as a Mormon bishop) tried to talk a woman out of a health-related abortion? Once I put that together it all clicked. I will bet that incident is in that file and the Dems are ready to pull that woman out to prove Mitt is a right wing monster who is willing to let women die rather than have a health-related abortion.
That explains Mitt’s demeanor last night. He looked like he knew something that bothered him. While some here on FR think he’s a RINO, the rest of the liberal planet views him as a right wing conservative. He must temper that view and now he is on defense.
The winning candidate must have crossover appeal. So far Mitt and Obama are the only ones who can pick up independent and opposition votes. St. Fred can’t, Hunter and the others can’t, except for Rudy.
Mitt’s in a difficult position now but I have every confidence he can overcome. The election is won day to day, person to person. Mitt is superior in that regard.
Couple that with what "Mr. Apparently" stumbled around the surge question and you get a picture of someone who's afraid to engage in straight talk. Romney has flipped and flopped more than a fresh mackerel on a hot sandy beach; he simply cannot be trusted with the keys to the country. All-in-all I was pleasantly surprised at the job McCain did. I believe he and Duncan Hunter were the only ones to really get the Iran-With-Nukes scenario right as you don't go to your allies, you don't go to the U.N., or the Democrats, or try diplomacy--you bomb the hell out of them just as you would have done to the Soviets doing the Cold War had Cheyenne Mountain picked up and incoming barrage of ICBMs--IRAN MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE BIG POTATO, PERIOD!
Excellent analysis Deborah, and thank you! I’d like to comment more fully to your post later. : )
If you look later in the debate, Mitt Romney had a chance to explain himself after McCain's ridiculous and weak attack on him for saying "apparently." The bottom line is that no one has seen the Petraeus report - at least no one on that stage.
Im going to wait -- Well, you know, we havent heard from General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker. I believe its successful, but Im going to hold out until we hear the report. Im going to give them the benefit of hearing that.
I know there are some early reports that theyre going to say its successful, and I certainly hope thats the case. But lets listen to their report.
And assuming success, lets start bringing our troops back when they feel its the right time to do so to make sure that we -- we move to the support stage out of a posture of strength and not of a -- out of a posture of bowing to the Democrats. The Democrats want to remove al-Maliki -- they want to remove the head of the government and withdraw. Thats a policy for chaos.
Sounds pretty wise to me to wait to read or hear exactly what the report has to say before spouting off and declaring something an unequivocal success.
~”Not his best performance of the five debates but a good one.”~
I agree. Romney didn’t fail in this debate, but he didn’t shine, either. If he’s to overcome the obstacles in his way, though, he needs to shine, and merely “good” performances such as last night’s won’t cut it.
Still a long row left to hoe.
~”How about something like that? I know I sure would have appreciated it.”~
To be frank, ishabibble, I was also hoping he would say something along those lines, and was disappointed when he didn’t. It’s clear that the original statement was little more than a thoughtless gaffe, and he did apologize a couple of days later, but he had the opportunity to knock it out of the park with a little contrition, and I didn’t see it.
~”Which of course begs the question, when you slip up and say something dumb, how many times doe you have to keep apologizing for everyone in the world to believe you are sincere?”~
Every time it comes up. “I was wrong, I apologized for it, and I apologize again.” With answers like that, it’s not long before the issue atrophies.
~”Funny... all I remember of Mitt was McCain whuppin his arse over Iraq!”~
When I watched that, I couldn’t help but roll my eyes at McCain. “No, not apparently, yada yada.” McCain was nitpicking, and it came off as petty.
I was impressed with Hunter...McCain kind of helped his cause I thought.
~”The beginning of the end for the ill-fated Romney candidacy.”~
You keep saying that, and it just keeps not happening. You might try clicking your heels together three times.
We are obviously NOT thinking of the same exchange. Mitt was unprepared on Iraq... sounding like a dim surrender monkey... McCain slapped him down on his “if the surge is working” and his “apparent success” statements. McCain got in his face and smacked him down hard... and Mitt deserved it!
LLS
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