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To: Andrew Byler; AuntB
I think we have said loud and clear time and time again that the fence is for keeping out illegals.


However, terrorists of all stripes ARE making their way across these overland foot routes and we need to deal with them too. To say that the fence is not a valuable tool in keeping out terrorists is a lie.


Also, we need to keep out the mass drug shipments that are hauled in by 4 wheel drive. To say that the fence is not for keeping out drugs is a lie.


The fence is for enforcing the border and all that that entails.


Now, you seem to have been a little dishonest with your presentation; you seem to have some underlying agenda. So instead of lecturing the rest of us on honesty why don't you tell us what your point is. Do you think we are too mean to the illegal aliens? Do you think American industry and agriculture will fail without illegal labor? What is your point that you are holding back?

67 posted on 09/06/2007 9:35:55 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President.)
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To: GulfBreeze
terrorists of all stripes ARE making their way across these overland foot routes and we need to deal with them too

I really have a tough time believing this, seeing as we have a dearth of terrorist acts in this country. It seems to me people cry "terrorism" nowadays just before they reach into your wallet or take away one of your rights.

the fence is for keeping out illegals ... To say that the fence is not for keeping out drugs is a lie

I agree entirely, and these are all excellent reasons.

Do you think we are too mean to the illegal aliens?

No we aren't mean to them.

I think illegals face a mean situation - paying thousands to gang-connected smugglers, crossing inhospitable terrain where hundreds die. From a perspective of common decency towards humanity, this is wrong. We shouldn't be indifferent to the plight of other humans risking and losing their lives and money just to try to get a job. "There but for the grace of God go I." We need policies that are much more harsh towards lawbreakers and smugglers, and are also inviting to people who want to work, follow the law, and pay taxes. I have no problem with someone who wants to come here from Mexico and work and help shoulder our tax burden, especially if he also wants to return home after a short stay.

The punishment for smugglers (of humans and drugs) needs to be very punitive, draconian, and immediate. Summary executions work for me. Its not like foreign invaders are entitled to constitutional protections and trial by jury. The punishment for criminal aliens also needs to be much harsher. I especially dislike the idea of illegals committing crimes in the US and then getting to live off us for years while filling our prisons and wasting our court docket space. Immediate deporation following severe corporal punishment sounds much better, and would certainly be much cheaper.

For people who want to work and follow the rules, I have no objection to a seasonal guest-worker program. This should be coupled with registration of aliens with the police as to place of living and tracking of movement between employers. Employing foreigners for cheap should be a bit burdensome in terms of paperwork for those wanting the benefit for their farm or business. The paperwork should also put the liability for these people and their actions on the employers.

Do you think American industry and agriculture will fail without illegal labor?

It certainly would initially during the period of immediate dislocation if we could simply deport or scare off all the illegals in a short span of time like Ike did. The question is whether resident Americans would then take up the jobs they have been working instead of sitting around loafing on welfare and unemployment, or sitting around as clerks in the endless number of chain outlets that have been seemingly overbuilt through out the land.

72 posted on 09/06/2007 10:09:03 AM PDT by Andrew Byler
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