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1 posted on 09/06/2007 5:51:56 AM PDT by SJackson
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“If you build it, they won’t come.”


43 posted on 09/06/2007 7:35:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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The new concern is for the Ranchers’ property rights. This from a government who has no qualms about condemning land with the use of imminent domain laws.
44 posted on 09/06/2007 7:36:17 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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Build the fence ping!


47 posted on 09/06/2007 7:59:52 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hunter and Tancredo in '08! La Raza - the PLO of the Western Hemisphere)
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Ping!

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50 posted on 09/06/2007 8:12:40 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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I say hire this guy.......http://youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0


52 posted on 09/06/2007 8:14:37 AM PDT by Osage Orange (There is nothing in the world more stubborn than a corpse.............................)
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Last night I saw on PBS a program concerning the WWII railroad built through the jungle of Indochina and featuring the infamous "bridge over the River Kwai."

The Japanese had neither machinery nor materials nor time with which to confront this extremely difficult environment. They did, unfortunately, have Asian slave labor and Allied POWs which they used with absolute brutality in the fashion for which the Nazis are better known.

What they also had was the ~will~ to build it. Just as the Chinese had the ~will~ to build the Great Wall.

All the "expert" opinion that building a secure, physical barrier all along our southern border is a technical impossibility is absurd. And it illustrates why conservatives should always view with deep suspicion "experts" who are trotted out to ridicule our commonsense judgments and to buoy up what are merely the policy preferences of liberals.

57 posted on 09/06/2007 8:32:17 AM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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5 years to build the fence ...
9/11 happened 6 years ago ...

And we have what, 14 miles of fence built? Yep, national security is a top priority for those running our country. When something really bad happens like Las Vegas or LA going up in a mushroom cloud, then you will see every one of these politicians personally go down to build the fence. It’s like living in a bad Monty Python skit.


58 posted on 09/06/2007 8:42:46 AM PDT by Gen-X-Dad
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Fences are fine, but I have a suggestion to enhance its effectiveness:

The USGOV should acquire all of the land that is 1/4 mile from the U. S.-Mexico border and establish a very long but very narrow MILITARY BASE, complete with warning signs and another fence 1/4 mile to the north of the border.

The consequences for invading or breaching a U.S.military base are very well-know, legally tested, and deadly.

"U.S. Military Installation!! Beware of land mines!!"

60 posted on 09/06/2007 8:55:09 AM PDT by tracer
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64 posted on 09/06/2007 9:12:39 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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The Saudi’s have been building a 550 mile fence on the border of Iraq designed to keep Iraqi’s out. The Saudi’s are building it in their typical fashion by sparing no expense whatsoever.

Thousands of years of history prove that well built fences do work very vell. It is utterly ridiculous that a high-tech double fence with a buffer zone, guard towers, electronic surveillance, satellite coverage, etc. has not already been built along the entire length of the border with Mexico.

A well built fence would force millions of unhappy Mexicans to work on removing the corruption in their own country instead of crossing the border illegally and becoming criminals in America. These Mexican criminals cost American taypayers an average of $22,000 in government services per illegal family of 4 per year - we can’t afford this nonsense!

I’m convinced that there are too many people in Washington that simply don’t want it built. Yet another reason why America desperately needs Congressional Term Limits - and a high-tech fence with Mexico.


65 posted on 09/06/2007 9:23:15 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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ping


66 posted on 09/06/2007 9:32:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
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"Border Reality 101"

This is what most of our southern border looks like: there is no government-built fence at all. There is often just whatever is left over from some forgotten cattle fence, built privately to keep U.S. cattle from wandering freely into Mexico. For hundreds of miles there is not even a broken cattle fence, there is nothing at all.

For comparison, below the broken cattle fence photo is a sample of an inexpensive but highly effective double border fence system, with a plowed strip to reveal footprints. This type of system is very cheap and can be built with great speed.

Here is what some of San Diego County has: a wall made of rusty Viet Nam-era runway mats. The corrugations are even horizontal, (to make climbing easier?)

Here is what the border looks like where the runway mat wall exists. Mexico begins on the other side of the ineffective rusty wall, which actually helps the smugglers, by hiding their movements until the occasional USBP vehicle has driven out of sight.

This is how "the game" is played. Smugglers hide on the other side of the wall with their dope and/or their illegals, out of sight of the USBP. They wait for the highly visible white BP vehicle to drive over the distant hills. Lookouts with cell phones and walkie-talkies report on the current locations of the BP units. They know with certainty that "the coast is clear" for an hour or two, and the smugglers and illegals hop the fence and run into the scrub only 50 yards away. From there, they are out of sight, and they walk 1-2 miles to holding houses. Then they wait for nightfall, and are picked up and driven in vans to LA or San Diego.

Next, we see the Duncan Hunter 15' fence, which is already being built along a few "showplace" miles of San Diego, mainly near the ports of entry, where panderng politicians can conveniently show it off to gullible reporters. As you can see, the rusty runway wall is seen at the left side, Mexico begins on the other side. In areas with the 15 foot fence, dope smugglers and illegals will have to cross the open sand ("the government road" as it is called) before starting to try to get over the 15 foot fence.

This new fence is extremely tough, and resists cutting. Attacking the fence would have to be done right out in the open, in full view of cameras. This type of fence, on the U.S. side of the government road, will give the USBP a barrier to patrol, instead of forcing them to chase illegals around 100,000 square miles of wide-open frontier land, which is a fool's errand. Everywhere this modern multiple fence system has been built, crossings by illegals drop to almost nil.

This ain't rocket science, folks. We're not talking about something like the Hoover Dam project, (which we managed to build 70 years ago). The world's last superpower, which put a man on the moon 35 years ago, can build a couple thousand miles of simple and effective fencing.

This is how it's being built in San Diego county, along the last 14 miles out to the ocean. The total cost of the entire fence from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific would be about 5 billion dollars, or what we spend medicating, hospitalizing, educating, and incarcerating illegal aliens just about every month. In other words, the fence would pay for itself immediately.

Or, we can continue our current policy.


70 posted on 09/06/2007 9:58:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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Chertoff on this ‘virtual fence’ proposal

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1892078/posts


75 posted on 09/06/2007 10:39:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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Since that Secure Fence Act was signed, fewer than 20 miles of fencing have been built. That prompted Hunter to write a letter to the White House last month, in which the Republican presidential candidate called the "lack of progress unacceptable, especially when adequate funding is available to earnestly proceed with fence construction."

Specifically, Hunter pointed to a 392-mile stretch of fence that is supposed to be completed from Calexico, Calif., to Douglas, Ariz., by May 30, 2008, and another 30 miles of fencing that is supposed to be completed in Laredo, Texas, by the end of 2008.

"Unfortunately, these scheduled mandates will be missed unless fence construction commences immediately in these locations," Hunter wrote.

Once again, we see for the hundredteenth time Duncan Hunter doggedly pushing, pulling, and shoving our inept government towards protecting its citizenry. I wonder why we don't see all the other candidates mentioned in these articles for what they are trying to do to solve the problem. Could be because they aren't problem solvers. Could be they aren't real leaders like Duncan Hunter. Could be they just talk a good game.

76 posted on 09/06/2007 11:04:33 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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Virtual fence my eye....

Maybe I should complete a virtual tax return this year to pay for the virtual fence.

As far as “environmental impacts” go, put a grate under the fence for water flow, kink the fence for archaological sites, and so on. It’s not rocket science. Really.


77 posted on 09/06/2007 11:13:09 AM PDT by Right2BareArms
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Has anyone sent this link to Mikey Chertoff yet?


78 posted on 09/06/2007 11:14:13 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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GTF Outta her. My favorite political heroe’s say that it can’t be done.


86 posted on 09/06/2007 5:48:49 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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Build the fence now!


89 posted on 09/07/2007 1:46:16 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To construct an impenetrable barrier all along the southern border would be an anathema to North American Union-types, whom occupy the Congress and the White House, Democrat and Republican alike. It would be the heighth of contradiction to do such a thing, and against their own financial interests.

That is why they cannot, rather, WILL NOT (even though they are capable to) do it.

90 posted on 09/07/2007 2:04:08 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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