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To: b_sharp
"Without significant verification that bias cannot occur without intelligence then the lack of bias in a given sample does not falsify intelligent design." - b_sharp

Incorrect. One can have bias without having Intelligent Design, in fact. Gravity will bias a system, for example (i.e. things fall down).

It's the converse that differs. One can't have Intelligent Design without bias.

That's why the lack of bias in a system falsifies ID for said system.

37 posted on 09/06/2007 2:01:33 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
"Without significant verification that bias cannot occur without intelligence then the lack of bias in a given sample does not falsify intelligent design." - b_sharp

"Incorrect. One can have bias without having Intelligent Design, in fact. Gravity will bias a system, for example (i.e. things fall down).

"It's the converse that differs. One can't have Intelligent Design without bias.

My mistake.

So:
We have natural phenomena which can produce bias.
We have intelligent designs that have to contain bias.
And we have natural phenomena which produce no bias.

I take it then that bias cannot be used to identify ID.

"That's why the lack of bias in a system falsifies ID for said system.
Emphasis mine.

What nonsense is this? You require that the ToE have an overriding falsifying criteria but you believe ID is falsifiable because you have come up with a criteria that putatively falsifies a specific case? Come on.

By your own standards given for Evolution, that a single tenet or sub theory, or even the whole theory, be falsifiable through a single criteria, give me a single falsifying criteria for ID that will falsify the theory, not just a 'system'. If you can't do that then you will have to change the conditions you impose on the ToE to match those of ID.

Is it possible for an intelligent designer to design a system without bias? If so then the lack of bias does not falsify the system as the product of an ID. Only if your ID is incapable of producing systems without bias and the procedure used to determine bias is error free and gives no false negatives is a lack of bias a falsification.

41 posted on 09/06/2007 6:30:20 PM PDT by b_sharp ("Science without intelligence is lame, religion without personal integrity is reprehensible"-Sealion)
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