MD Straw Poll Results - Ron Paul Wins

MD GOP ^ | 09/05/2007 | MD GOP

[Hurricane Bruiser]

ANNAPOLIS— After eleven days of presidential straw poll ballots cast at the Maryland Republican Party’s State Fair booth, Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) was announced last night as the winner.

The Maryland Republican Party’s first-ever presidential straw poll at the State Fair resulted in nearly 1,000 Marylanders casting a vote for their favorite Republican candidate for president.

[bcsco]

And the South's loss was inevitable because their self-determination was driven by wishing to deny such to a large segment of their own population.

It's actually a lot more complicated than that. It wasn't at all inevitable from a military standpoint. The North COULD have lost. But it was pretty much inevitable historically. There were other nations that had done away with slavery at the time. And the Southern states were using slavery to prop up their one most valuable international commodity; cotton. All this at a time when the Industrial Revolution was starting to redefine international trade among nations.

It was a war fought for a dying cause at a most inopportune time.

[bcsco]

I think it can fairly be said that the Union initially did not take up the war to end slavery, but to preserve the Union. But maintaining slavery is what drove the Southern states to leave the Union.

Yes, that's an accurate statement. And the secession papers of those states will back you up.

[George W. Bush]

You may be getting into an area of denial on FR that runs pretty deep. Be prepared. I've been down this road before and it's not very pleasant. BTW, I agree with you.

On another thread, please.

Neither the Revolution nor the Civil War (War Between The States, War Of Northern Aggression, etc.) have much bearing on this thread. There was some dissatisfaction with the the North in the South not directly related to the abolitionist cause. And Lincoln never did intend to free the slaves and, contrary to what most Americans believe, Lincoln never did free a single slave and didn't want to. He wanted to liberate them back to Africa or to a colony of their own.

[G8 Diplomat]

Now, maybe, just maybe, a message like "Hey, we're libertarians, and have we got the candidate for you!" may just not fly here on FR.

You said it. We want a CONSERVATIVE nominated on the GOP ticket. Everyone claims their candidate is the new Ronald Reagan, and for the Paul supporters--give that up. REAGAN WAS NOT A LIBERATARIAN! Look at the voting records, THEN compare to Reagan.

[redgirlinabluestate]

Romney does very well in straw polls too - but only when he busses in supporters and spends lavishly on food and entertainment. Somehow, that isn’t treated as “spamming the polls”.

Everyone's got an opinion on things they know nothing about.

In April, Romney won 10 and came in 2nd in 6 of the 17 total county straw polls in South Carolina.

He also one the straw polls in Illinois, Kentucky and a few other ones I can't remember.

No buses. No lavish spending.

[G8 Diplomat]

*libertarian, not liberatarian

my bad

[1_Of_We]

So Paul would have been opposed to the 1st and 2nd Barbary Wars?

Can't really answer that one. I'd hope, like Madison did, he'd ask Congress for a declaration of war.

I'm still angry that Congress didn't declare war on Iran when they attacked our Embassy. Or on other middle eastern countries when they nationalized our oil fields there. I'm also waiting for the Iraqi oil to pay for our involvement there, but I haven't heard anything about it since before we went in. YES, I am in favor of the Iraqi War but, like Paul, I want to see Congress do it's duty to defend our country instead of just feathering their personal nests at our expense.

[bcsco]

It doesn’t matter if you think what the rebels did was nice or not; it was STILL self-determination exactly because they wanted things a certain way and tried to start anew to do so.

I think you missed my first post on the subject. I stated openly that the only two wars I could think of that were clearly for self-determination were the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. Regarding the Civil War, I never distinguished which side was most self-determined. I believe both were, equally. And I believe the better cause won.

[redgirlinabluestate]

one = won

[bcsco]

On another thread, please.

I'd be happy to. But it was in response to a Ron Paul supporter, and has been replied to numerous times. I'm simply responding at this point.

And, if you don't believe the subject has any relevance to this thread...why the second paragraph?

[George W. Bush]

Once again, I present Tom Coburn. Someone who refuses to pass along earmark requests.

His position is functionally no different. Ron Paul votes against virtually all earmarks consistently. I could find votes and remarks that Coburn has made that I disagree with but I wouldn't represent my opinion of those as being Ron Paul's position.

In other words, a man who sticks to his principles, unlike Ron Paul.

During his pledge on term limits, Coburn left office even after we failed to get term limits past the Court.

I don't think his constituents were especially well-served. Conservative constitutional principle is not a suicide pact with the voters. I'll leave it to Dr. Coburn to dissent or criticize Dr. Paul and Dr. Paul's new House colleague, Dr. Broun from Georgia.

You don't speak for Coburn or even make a particularly good case for your pretense that he holds certain positions to which he does not speak directly.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Great news, thanks for the post.

[George W. Bush]

In April, Romney won 10 and came in 2nd in 6 of the 17 total county straw polls in South Carolina. He also one the straw polls in Illinois, Kentucky and a few other ones I can't remember. No buses. No lavish spending.

Much like the Mitthreads, facts are against The Rules on Ron Paul threads.

Don't make me call the mods on you!

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Don’t waste your time with the haters, Kirk. Let them have their fun.

[dirtboy]

His position is functionally no different. Ron Paul votes against virtually all earmarks consistently. I could find votes and remarks that Coburn has made that I disagree with but I wouldn't represent my opinion of those as being Ron Paul's position.

There is no comparison between the two men. Coburn refuses to even pass along earmark requests.

During his pledge on term limits, Coburn left office even after we failed to get term limits past the Court.

Yep. His word was bond. He didn't need a stinkin' law to hold him to such.

I don't think his constituents were especially well-served.

There is a much higher concept in play than constituent service. It's called limited government. And holding to one's word. Ron Paul talks the talk. Coburn walks the walk. No comparision between the two men whatsoever.

[pacelvi]

Wow.. these kinds of rationalizations are reaching Clintonian proportions

[George W. Bush]

And, if you don't believe the subject has any relevance to this thread...why the second paragraph?

Well, I guess you guys can hijack the thread anywhere you like. Far be it from me to hope that people would actually read the article and apply it to the second-tier candidates.

As for the relevance to RP's opposition to the Iraq war, the Constitution was not yet written/ratified when the Revolutionary War was fought and the Civil War was not a foreign adventure.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Coming from Maryland, Ron Paul winning is no surprise

It simply means that Paul is capable of attracting old-school Democrats who aren't part of the moonbats that run the DNC now. They don't want their country joining globalist organizations sending high-paying manufacturing jobs overseas or meddling in other countries' affairs. And I wholeheartedly agree with them.

[George W. Bush]

Coburn refuses to even pass along earmark requests.

Which may or may not serve the interests of his own constituents. And there is no proof that Coburn doesn't write letters or make calls to influence funding decisions by various agencies.

Don't be too sure Coburn is so utterly clean as you might like to believe. I admire him greatly but I don't put politicians on pedestals. Including Ron Paul.

[bcsco]

Don’t waste your time with the haters, Kirk. Let them have their fun.

We're not haters. That's a misconception that's easily spread because we rankle at the taunts and names given us by Ron Paul advocates.

I don't hate you. I don't hate Ron Paul. I don't hate Ron Paul advocates. What I DO find despicable is the name calling and recriminations. Sure, I've done it. But only in defense. So don't come on here belatedly and start labeling us. Either you're above that, or you're part of the problem. Which is it? Oh, and, yes, I'll stop it. But only when I've seen a sea-change in the attitude of Ron Paul supporters. How's that?