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Texas startup says it has batteries beat
Associated Press ^ | Tue Sep 4 | GRANT SLATER

Posted on 09/04/2007 10:37:19 AM PDT by 300magnum

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To: Moonman62
If it's such a great battery, why are they putting it in a little putt putt?

Simple: there's already a good-sized market for that type of vehicle.

81 posted on 09/04/2007 12:09:36 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Kellis91789

First, I think gas engines are only about 12% efficient. Second, I think an ultracapictor discharging would be a lot more spectacular than a gas fire.


82 posted on 09/04/2007 12:12:28 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: silentreignofheroes
Granted, it's the current that kills. But you need enough voltage to puncture the skin and get to that salty blood.

I doubt that 1mv would do it -- but if a thousand amps is hovering around somewhere where I can touch it, I'm in the next room, thank you very much.

83 posted on 09/04/2007 12:14:24 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: 300magnum

“The result is an ultracapacitor, a battery-like device that stores and releases energy quickly.

Batteries rely on chemical reactions to store energy but can take hours to charge and release energy. The simplest capacitors found in computers and radios hold less energy but can charge or discharge instantly. Ultracapacitors take the best of both, stacking capacitors to increase capacity while maintaining the speed of simple capacitors. “

OR, you could make your own railgun. Now That would be cool!


84 posted on 09/04/2007 12:17:26 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: G Larry
[his constant criticism is unwarranted.]

Schwarzschild would probably say there’s a mass-ive hole in such criticism and he and Compton would probably be on the same wavelength.

85 posted on 09/04/2007 12:20:42 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: saganite

Not really. Someone has to produce the electricity for electric cars. Where do you think that will come from?

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Captured cow farts will be used to power huge generators.


86 posted on 09/04/2007 12:25:14 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: 300magnum

If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is. The odds are good this won’t be the revolution we need in technology. If it is, then great! Every once in a while, technology is discovered that does what was believed to be impossible. Here’s hoping this works.


87 posted on 09/04/2007 12:27:21 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: 300magnum

Bump for later read.

I’ve been following this story for over a year. Fingers crossed.


88 posted on 09/04/2007 12:27:44 PM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses, rifles for sister sarah)
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To: cynwoody

Five hours with a 220V circuit drawing 50A, even with charging losses, which are much lower charging a capacitor than they are with batteries.

So you could recharge at home overnight easily.

The five-minute recharge would be done at a “gas station” and transferring from the station’s own bank of capacitors to your vehicle at very high voltages and low amperage. Low amperage means small cables, not “as thick as your arm” as someone else suggested.

The bottleneck would become the electrical service to the stations. To recharge 500 vehicles per day would require 50kwh x 500 = 25mwh per day. 25mwh / 24 hour per day means an average draw from the grid at 480V of 2000A. That one service station would be drawing as much power as 1000 homes.


89 posted on 09/04/2007 12:28:21 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: robertpaulsen

[but if a thousand amps is hovering around somewhere where I can touch it, I’m in the next room, thank you very much.]

Very true. The little capacitor in a common battery powered camera flash can be deadly.


90 posted on 09/04/2007 12:29:03 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: 300magnum

Everyone can get a charge out of this.


91 posted on 09/04/2007 12:30:15 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversd)
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To: OSHA

Think of it as a lighting bolt on Quaaludes.


92 posted on 09/04/2007 12:33:35 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Lazamataz

Dang! I thought you were the doctor in “Smokey and The Bandit”.


93 posted on 09/04/2007 12:33:40 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: robertpaulsen

I hear ya,,

my personal opinion about this is magnetism is the best and the most feasible propulsion,,or if you were to put a gen. and mtr.end to end , with the gen.producing enough power to run the mtr and accessaries,,would it work,,something to ponder,,but what would we do with all these IC engines...??


94 posted on 09/04/2007 12:33:48 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken, there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: ANGGAPO
Every expert on the subject bashed the invention of the airplane a while back, said it couldn’t be done.

More accurately, all the experts on human heavier-than-air flight thought it definitely could be done--they were the ones doing all the experiments. There were other experts who claimed it to be impossible.
95 posted on 09/04/2007 12:37:05 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Kellis91789

That’s assuming 50kwh will power a car 500 miles.


96 posted on 09/04/2007 12:37:20 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

I’ve seen several products described but the product I believe they are talking about is a 50,000 watt hour storage, maybe a 100,000 watt hour. Either way, it is not 80,000,000 watt hours.


97 posted on 09/04/2007 12:38:22 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: MainFrame65

“But the 5-minute charge is a joke, unless you have your own nuclear power plant. Others have offered some calculations and estimates of what it would require, so I don’t need to pile on.”

If you had a similar unit in your house for emergency backup, you would not need your own nuclear power plant. 5 minute recharge would be dangerous and would require significant engineering but is posible. A more likely scenario would be overnight recharging at home and unit exchange on the road.


98 posted on 09/04/2007 12:42:28 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: 300magnum

I don’t see any magic, but a fair amount of hocus pocus here. Barium titanate dielectric (a type of ceramic) capacitors have been around for decades, and while it is true that they perhaps give such a high volumetric charge capacity that they could replace batteries under laboratory conditions where cost is not an object, the charge/discharge cycle improvement over batteries is more incremental than revolutionary, and to build such a large bulk capacitor that operates with acceptable reliability and temperature stability over the automotive temperature range amounts to a huge exercise in improving component reliability.


99 posted on 09/04/2007 12:43:29 PM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

my personal opinion about this is magnetism is the best and the most feasible propulsion,,or if you were to put a gen. and mtr.end to end , with the gen.producing enough power to run the mtr and accessaries,,would it work,,something to ponder,,but what would we do with all these IC engines...??

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That sounds like over unity, otherwise referred to as “perpetual motion”.


100 posted on 09/04/2007 12:45:42 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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