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To: Stoat
OK -- I can understand (though obviously don't buy) the phony argument that greedy, evil capitalist private employers exploit their workers for obscene profits, thus requiring unions to protect these poor helpless employees.

But what on earth is the justification of unions for government employees? Seems to me it should be against the law for government employees to unionize, and that therefore all government employee unions should be immediately decertified and disbanded.

Since it is a well established fact that the government is completely benign and totally dedicated to the welfare of the people, how can it be seen as an exploiter of its workers, and why on earth would they need protection when there are no greedy private capitalist pigs to do the exploiting?

Hmmm?

2 posted on 09/03/2007 10:02:07 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Maceman
Hmmm?
 

You've outlined another entry in the seemingly endless litany of Hypocrisies Of The Left.

The short answer, of course, is "because there's money to be made" in Government unions.

3 posted on 09/03/2007 10:12:49 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Maceman
OK -- I can understand (though obviously don't buy) the phony argument that greedy, evil capitalist private employers exploit their workers for obscene profits, thus requiring unions to protect these poor helpless employees.

At one time in this country unions were necessary in order for workers to get a fair deal from their employers. Read a little history. It was big business who set up the country for the rise of Unions. Now, state and federal labor laws take the place of most Union protection without the dues paying and corruption of Union bosses. Make no mistake however, without Unions the labor laws we have for protection today would not have been possible without the existance of Unions.

I will agree with you about fed and state employess not ever needing unions but not about the private sector, as I said, in the past Unions were very necessary and needed due to the sh**ty treatment business, on the whole, gave their employees, believe it or not, it is part of history and easily checked.

5 posted on 09/03/2007 11:02:24 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Maceman
Seems to me it should be against the law for government employees to unionize,

It was until fairly recently, maybe 10 to 20 years ago. I don't remember which pres or judge changed that.

15 posted on 09/03/2007 12:57:22 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Maceman
But what on earth is the justification of unions for government employees?

From what I remember, at the Federal level, JFK made it all but mandatory - more default Dem voters.

16 posted on 09/03/2007 1:03:48 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Maceman
But what on earth is the justification of unions for government employees? Seems to me it should be against the law for government employees to unionize, and that therefore all government employee unions should be immediately decertified and disbanded.

Exactly right.

The gov't has NO competition, hence they cannot "go out of business" like a private sector company might who goes overboard catering to union demands. So the government can promise their union members anything and we taxpayers are stuck with the bill. It's ridiculous.

Unions whine about jobs being outsourced, but the major culprit to jobs leaving this country is the labor unions themselves. Like all socialist endeavors, the Unions gradually built up a false economic situation. An economic house of cards. It did this by paying unskilled workers huge salaries/benefits way beyond their real-world market value worth for the last 70+ years. This made the cost of goods and services skyrocket. Now that there is a world-wide economy, the "waterline" is seeking it's natural level. We are now having to pay the piper for artificially high wages to those who never should have got them.

18 posted on 09/03/2007 1:16:35 PM PDT by Zman516 (socialists & muslims -- satan's useful idiots.)
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