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Colorado Student Files Lawsuit Over Commencement Speech That Mentioned Jesus
Foxnews via AP ^ | 8/31/07 | Unknown

Posted on 08/31/2007 3:03:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

DENVER — A student who said she was told she wouldn't get her diploma unless she apologized for a commencement speech in which she mentioned Jesus has filed a lawsuit alleging her free speech rights were violated.

The school district contends its actions were "constitutionally appropriate."

Erica Corder was one of 15 valedictorians at Lewis-Palmer High School in 2006. All were invited to speak for 30 seconds at the graduation ceremony. When it was Corder's turn, she encouraged the audience to get to know Jesus Christ.

Corder had not included those remarks during rehearsals.

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The lawsuit said Brewer would not give Corder her diploma until she included a sentence saying, "I realize that, had I asked ahead of time, I would not have been allowed to say what I did."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: christianstudents; commencement; firstamendment; lawsuit; religion; speech
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To: kimoajax
You are putting words in my mouth. I never said her speech offends me. It doesn’t. I’m a Christian. But I also have a sense of manners and decorum, that I find sadly lacking in many. Ever hear the quaint old expression, “there’s a time and place for everything?”
41 posted on 08/31/2007 4:56:05 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: colorado tanker

You don’t have a right not to be offended when you go out in public. The administration of the school didn’t do it. A private citizen said what they had to say. What you seem to want is the government to suppress her speech. You don’t see any slippery slope around that? Everbody didn’t get to speak. She was awarded time based on her academic performance to make her statement but yet you want to constrain it.


42 posted on 08/31/2007 5:11:33 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: firebrand
15 valedictorians? But, but,...We HAVE to be INCLUSIVE! We have to make sure everyone FEELS good! We need a Boy val, a Girl val, A Black Val, A Hispanic Val, ...oh, and a Gay Val, and.../sarc

The world has gone mad. Why aren't we talking about forming a new country, a new society yet?

43 posted on 08/31/2007 5:15:48 PM PDT by Clock King (Bring the noise!)
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To: colorado tanker
Ever hear the quaint old expression, “there’s a time and place for everything?”

And what, pray tell, should the purpose of a commencement speech be?
44 posted on 08/31/2007 5:16:21 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: colorado tanker

“there’s a time and place for everything?”

Well, this isn’t the same as praying on the street corner, saying, “look at me...holier than thou.”

This is witnessing. I’m not a Bible expert but as I recall Christians are called upon to proclaim the Good News. I don’t remember that there was any fine print. You scatter the seed and some of it will fall on good ground. The rest of it is not our responsibility. I believe that is where the Holy Spirit comes in.

The way I see it, if Christ was the Son of God, died, and was risen, then that’s the most important thing that ever happened in the history of the human race. Not many of us act like it, or act like it most of the time.

If Jesus isn’t who he said he was then she’s just a girl talking about her hobby. If he is then what she said was the most important thing said by anybody that day.


45 posted on 08/31/2007 5:21:58 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: colorado tanker
Your right, how dare her! They should destroy her papers and
forfeit all of her credits, then have her forehead tattoed with a number!

/s

46 posted on 08/31/2007 5:23:26 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: colorado tanker

My my. Such intolerance.


47 posted on 08/31/2007 5:42:09 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: elizabetty
What do they call this generation? Generation Wussy?

I prefer to call it Generation Joshua, where you see young people like this girl standing up and declaring they won't be cowed into submission by the intolerant "liberalism" of their "progressive" elders.

48 posted on 08/31/2007 6:24:53 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What should a free man do?)
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To: colorado tanker
If you read her remarks, she went well beyond giving credit to Christ and her faith for her success, she was proselytizing,

Is there some exception for the freedom of religion or freedom of speech written that says that students may not practice the tenets of Christianity at school? Where does it say that a student may not do that? My copy of the Constitution says no such thing. It just says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" and THIS looks a heck of a lot like "prohibiting free exercise thereof".

49 posted on 08/31/2007 6:27:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: colorado tanker

“There is a difference between rights and doing what’s appropriate.”

Very interesting. So you believe that what YOU deem “appropriate” trumps someone else’s constitutional rights?


50 posted on 08/31/2007 6:29:48 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: sirchtruth

AMEN! Brother! The TRUTH is what the Christian haters cannot stand.


51 posted on 08/31/2007 6:30:32 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: elizabetty

I prefer “Generation Satan”. Ever notice how the most intolerant people are the ones who profess tolerance for all except those who profess that Jesus is Lord?


52 posted on 08/31/2007 6:33:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: JudgemAll

WE have aborted over 35 million babies in the last 35 years and NOW the very ones who support abortion as a method of birth control are telling us we have to have illegal aliens to replace them.


53 posted on 08/31/2007 6:36:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: keepitreal

My alma mater as well (1991). LP has really gone downhill - full of political correctness now. I think it has to do with the influx of Californians that moved to the area and changed the Monument area from pretty conservative to very blue.


54 posted on 08/31/2007 6:51:14 PM PDT by quiet_reverie
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To: Paperdoll

Free speech includes religious speech. The individuals can speak as they wish about religion. The government cannot establish a religion, and it cannot prohibit the free exercise of it.


55 posted on 09/01/2007 1:12:26 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: colorado tanker

30 seconds to say what she will is still protected by free speech, even if it was a bit preachy. Whether she should have said it is different than whther she is allowed to say it.


56 posted on 09/01/2007 1:14:09 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: colorado tanker
She was representing herself and giving her opinion, how does that constitute the state proselytizing a religion?
57 posted on 09/01/2007 1:38:16 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: colorado tanker

She has every right to speak about her faith in a commencement address. She’s not the state. The constitution prohibits the state sponsored school from silencing students’ religious speech.


58 posted on 09/01/2007 4:51:07 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: BearCub

When did a student become the government?


59 posted on 09/01/2007 5:09:53 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: colorado tanker
So would you restrict this girl’s religious expression, because in your world you think religious views belong only in certain times or places? Why do you get to decide? When is the right time or place for religious expression? Would you restrict religious speech to home and church? What's the point of having religious freedom if you cannot live your faith in public places?

Christian students are Christians 100% of the time. They might offer prayers in restaurants, encourage their children to act like Christ at fairs, or say "Praise God" aloud at work when they get a job promotion. That's what religious freedom looks like in a free society. If others think that is inappropriate, they are free to behave differently.

I understand that legal precedent forbids governmental institutions from proselytizing. But in this situation, everyone in the audience realized this girl was not speaking as an agent of the state. She was a Christian student, saying Christian things on a public forum in a free society. The school's going to lose this one.

60 posted on 09/01/2007 5:41:15 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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