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To: freedomdefender
" ...even assuming Craig has led a second and secret life, would that automatically make him a hypocrite, a fraud, an Elmer Gantry? ... Is every alcoholic who falls off the wagon a hypocrite if he has tried to warn kids of the evil of alcohol? Many men have tried to live good lives and fallen again and again. They are called sinners. "

Well said, Pat.

2 posted on 08/31/2007 2:05:56 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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What if Craig were to just switch parties. If he were a Democrat?


8 posted on 08/31/2007 2:16:34 PM PDT by cquiggy
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To: freedomdefender
"Is there no possibility a man can believe in traditional morality, yet find himself tempted to behavior that morally disgusts him?"

As a recovering alcoholic whose personal behavior did not always match my personal beliefs, I have to agree with Pat on this count. Indeed, here on FR I've stated that IMHO, alcoholism is like homosexuality in that all the "nature vs. nurture" studies, explanations and theories are somewhat irrelevant and that the individual must recognize and deal with the spiritual shortcomings that drive the behavior. Having said all that, my personal experience is such that the self searching and kinds of life changes one needs to make are probably of the magnitude that would have an impact on a senator's ability to execute the full responsibilities of the office at the same time.

12 posted on 08/31/2007 2:18:17 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: freedomdefender
Is every alcoholic who falls off the wagon a hypocrite if he has tried to warn kids of the evil of alcohol? Many men have tried to live good lives and fallen again and again. They are called sinners.

As you wrote, this is well said by Mr. Buchanan.

Senator Craig may be a disappointment (especially to his family, friends, and constituents), but the charge of hypocrisy strikes me as hollow. The Democrats have a difficult time condemning him for his actual behavior, since they have in the past excused far worse; so they fall back on the general accusation of hypocrisy.

That said, I think Mr. Craig is finished in politics. Republicans and conservatives tend to have higher standards for their elected officials than do Democrats and Leftists. He will probably retire from the Senate; if he doesn't, the Republican voters of Idaho will turn him out in the next primary election.

28 posted on 08/31/2007 2:34:41 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: freedomdefender

I think conservatives aren’t the ones to yell “hypocrite” at someone expressing a standard that they don’t always meet. I think that is the liberals tactic, because they have no principle to stand on. Part of their argument is that if the advocates of high standards can’t keep them perfectly, it is better to have low standards or no standards at all. Why use a weaselly tactic? Because directly advocating low standards will not gain a politician any support. Even a leftist instinctively supports high standards, but desperately wants to be judged by low standards. The leftist twists logic to make believe not being a hypocrite is a good thing even if your standards are so low it is unavoidable. Therefore they can cling to one high standard and pretend they are better than those “hypocrites” who actually have to have some sort of self discipline.

Conservatives, on the other hand, judge harshly on high standards and expect excellent behavior out of their leaders. Whether or not someone supports high standards in public, they will be judged on low standards in their private life. They will also be judged on advocating low standards. Conservatives simply will not put up with it anywhere it is found.


34 posted on 08/31/2007 2:41:44 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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I think it’s instructive how quickly the elites of the GOP “threw him under the bus”— We already have suspected homosexuals in the GOP that we have managed to tolerate reasonably well. Barney Frank runs a prostitution ring out of his home, and we throw out a powerful Senator accused of playing footsie.


40 posted on 08/31/2007 2:45:50 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: freedomdefender
Is every alcoholic who falls off the wagon a hypocrite if he has tried to warn kids of the evil of alcohol?

If the alcoholic has acknowledged his problem and told others about it in the context of warning them of alcohol's dangers, then no, he isn't a hypocrite as long as he acknowledges he drank. If he's spent his life hiding his alcohol consumption with no apparent sign that he ever climbed on any wagon while lecturing others on the evils of alcohol and why they shouldn't drink, and then furiously denies it after being caught, then yes, he is a hypocrite.

But I really don't see the analogy to homosexuality. It's not my thing, but I really don't care if others find it is their thing. I do care if they do their thing in public bathrooms, however.
107 posted on 08/31/2007 4:27:09 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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