Ron Paul Has Betrayed The GOP! (Former Staff Member on Ron Paul's change after 9/11)

AFK at Townhall ^ | 04/18/2007 | Cary Wesberry

[Rush4U]

In my experience, the very same people who pile insults upon Ron Paul or his supporters, are the evry same ones who defend every socialist move concocted by President Bush (Medicare part D, No Child Left behind, Harriet M, the kennedy/Bush amnesty plan ,nation building etc). Kind of strange, don’t you think? And I personally don’t have any feelings one way or another about Ron Paul, just an observation.

[DugwayDuke]

“Rittberg was more conventional early on. He just became more and more a nutjob over the years. Finally, Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus and the Libertarian Party all disavowed him.”

According to this article, Ron Paul was more ‘conventional early on’ too. One could argue that it was Ron Paul who became a ‘nutjob over the years’. And, it’s not at all surprising that the libertarian party would disavow any one who supported the War in Iraq.

[sauropod]

Ron Paul is not a patriot.

[sauropod]

You can pimp for him all you want E3, but the FACT is that Paul marginilized himself with his own whackjob comments in at least two debates I saw on TV this year.

Paul is precisely like a friend of mine that declares we are in an unjust war b/c there is no “Declaration of War.” The authorization to use force is precisely that. If Paul has a problem w/ it then he should look to Congress (who apparently do not posess any testicles among the lot of them). To me, the difference between the authorization to use force and a formal Declaration of War is a distinction w/o a difference.

Paul’s position on why they (Islamists) attack us over here is utter bullsh!t! I lost a friend in 9/11 and this is personal w/ me. People like him can go suck eggs.

I used to respect Paul. No more. ‘Pod.

PS, I hate what the GOP has become as much or even more than you do. By no means am I a cheerleader for it.

[mvpel]

President Giuliani - three cheers for Sanctuary Cities!
Vice President McCain - three cheers for Amnesty!

[George W. Bush]

In my experience, the very same people who pile insults upon Ron Paul or his supporters, are the evry same ones who defend every socialist move concocted by President Bush (Medicare part D, No Child Left behind, Harriet M, the kennedy/Bush amnesty plan ,nation building etc). Kind of strange, don’t you think?

No, we've noticed that it is the most liberal FReepers who trash him. Open-borders, members of that WA^nker site, secret Giuliani supporters, etc. The most regular Paul-bashers are the remnant of the old Harpy crowd that drove so many conservatives off of FreeRepublic and crowed about it. Judging by how slowly that last fundraiser went, I think maybe it wasn't so wise to let them run amok here for so long.

[George W. Bush]

PS, I hate what the GOP has become as much or even more than you do. By no means am I a cheerleader for it.

Yeah, but we're not the ones throwing poison in the GOP well either. It's not just with Ron Paul either. Look at some of the horrible anti-Mormon crap and the baiting on the Mitt threads.

Many of us make very positive posts about Fred, Mitt, Duncan, Tanc, etc. If we get a fair shot at the nomination, many (probably a large majority) of us want to support the GOP nominee as long as it isn't that leftwing mayor. But we get the strong impression that we've been drummed out of the GOP here and elsewhere.

If they don't even want our votes, we're not going to run crawling and begging for them to take them.

It's fine not to agree or support Ron Paul. Everyone has their favorites. But utterly trashing Ron Paul and his supporters on dozens, perhaps hundreds, of threads is just extended personal attack. This thread is only a minor sample of it. For another, take a look at this one which some mod placed in Breaking News. When it turned more positive toward Ron Paul and became probably the most popular thread on FR after over a thousand posts, they had to remove it. Apparently, it was doing too well. I suppose that's our fault too.

Ron Paul supporters urged to attend MoveOn.org Rally !

[sauropod]

I do not participate in baiting on the Mitt threads.

I would oppose Romney b/c I think he is a johnny-come-lately to conservatism and I don’t believe he really is one.

All I can say is that I view Mormonism as a cult wrt the doctrine of my faith. I’m sure Mitt is a nice guy and all, but there is no reason to accept Mormonism as something it is not. The fact that Romney is a Mormon would not be a deciding factor into my vote for him as president, but it is part of who he is. The only religion that a candidate would profess that would disqualify him for my vote is Islam.

My personal vote is for Tancredo. Unfortunately, he does not have a chance b/c of the oligarchy the GOP has become.

[AndreaThorn]

Dondero is merely a disgruntled ex-employee. He surfs the internet trying to make friends and win support for his own agenda and campaign. You’ll see.

[AndreaThorn]

What he has sais is that a new investigation would show is typical big-government ineptitude and masmanagement, but he does not believe that anybody excect terrorists brought the plane down. In fact he’s the only politician I’ve heard refer to them as “Saudi terrorists.”

[JTN]

Paul is precisely like a friend of mine that declares we are in an unjust war b/c there is no “Declaration of War.” The authorization to use force is precisely that.

Actually, it was precisely an attempt to avoid declaring war.

Paul’s position on why they (Islamists) attack us over here is utter bullsh!t!

Actually, among foreign policy experts, his position is not even a subject of controversy. Check out the "Educating Rudy Press Conference".

BTW, the man appearing in that video with Paul, Michael Scheuer, is the former head of the CIA's Bin Laden tracking unit.

I lost a friend in 9/11 and this is personal w/ me.

I'm sorry for your loss, but it doesn't give you any special insight into these matters.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

why would people who want a Republican to win and who say Paul can’t win try so hard to drive his supporters away? This is not good or smart.

I do know that the GOP ignores or denigrates Paul at their own peril. When the GOP establishment continue to treat Paul like dirt his supporters see that and they're going to stay home or vote 3rd party. Then the GOP and their blind faithful will once again bitch about those "losertarians" just like they did in last year's midterms.

You think the GOP would buy a clue and start listening to libertarian and swing voters who want true limited government and not the borrow-and-spend fiscal "conservatism" or the nanny-state big government under the pretext of Christianity. I say let Paul give the keynote speech at the GOP convention.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

I was pleasantly surprised to see so many Ron Paul supporters here, but then, we are everywhere.

And you'll notice that these folks are supporting Paul on their own time, with their own money. How many supporters are holding seminars at malls or stands at fairs for Giuliani? Obama? Romney? Fact is, is that the anger at Paul is pure sour grapes and jealously. None of their candidates have fired up supporters like Paul has.

[George W. Bush]

The only religion that a candidate would profess that would disqualify him for my vote is Islam.

Agree. Islam is a totalitarian cult that expands by violence and subversion. Personally, I don't like Mormonism either. Nor Catholicism (though I think our Catholic Supremes are just fine and I only dislike the one who claims to be Catholic/conservative but never votes that way and I was one of those throwing Aunt Harriet under the bus to get the mackerel-snapping Alito on there. And I'd do it again too because he is a great justice, perhaps even a historic justice). But we're not voting for Pastor-In-Chief either. I like Ron Paul but thought he was a Presby, turns out he's been attending a Reformed Baptist church lately (the big difference between the two is baby-splashing and their preachers often share pulpits). Duncan is a Baptist which is fine but gets no extra points. Huckabee is a Baptist preacher turned politician which makes me a little wary but I don't favor him because of his slick talk and tax-raising liberal tendencies, not because he's a Baptist. And I don't even know what Tanc is but I do like him and I could vote for him even if he was Mormon. Or Catholic. Or Baptist. Or Presbyterian. Or evangelical. Whatever. He's just a good man and he has, like Ron Paul, had many nasty shots taken at him that were entirely undeserved. That nastiness in the first debate over the Know-Nothing wing of the GOP was directed at him and it made me mad to see him treated that way. If I hadn't hated Giuliani already, seeing that would have done the trick for me.

My personal vote is for Tancredo. Unfortunately, he does not have a chance b/c of the oligarchy the GOP has become.

It's hard to elect a single-issue candidate as president. Tanc and Duncan have good records overall besides borders/illegals. But in the public's mind, if they know anything about them, that's about all they've heard about. Ron Paul has a bit more diversity in his support, a larger small-government and pro-liberty agenda. But even RP isn't as "broad" a candidate as generally gets elected. Generally, it's true that we elect candidates to stop something or stop someone, not to enact a whole slew of new stuff which usually scares off enough voters that they lose. And that is why Ron Paul, overall, is the radical candidate in the race. In both parties, no one else is advocating such fundamental changes to our bloated and incompetent federal government.

[sauropod]

You are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

The Islamists attack us because it is an article of their faith to do so. A cursory reading of their Suras will lead you to that conclusion.

My point in mentioning my loss was basically to say that I do not care if the Islamists are offended or not. They declared war on us by capturing the hostages in Iran in 1979 and have continued actions ever since. War is what they want and war is what they are going to get.

>> I lost a friend in 9/11 and this is personal w/ me.

I'm sorry for your loss, but it doesn't give you any special insight into these matters.

Au contraire. It hasn't caused me to be blinded by kookery, which, unfortunately, you appear to be.

[trisham]

This is the "Gulf of Tonkin" statement:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d8MIENVtKw

[okie01]

Ron Paul Has Betrayed The GOP

This is news?

[sauropod]

I went back and reviewed the you tube video you linked to.

While I understand the points Scheuer and Paul were trying to make, their premise is fundamentally flawed.

If we had pulled up stakes and left Saudi prior to 9/11, that action would have still occurred.

Both Scheuer and Paul are stating that the radical Islamists are doing what they are doing b/c of “occupation.” While that may be have some basis in history, it fails to explain why people like Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg were beheaded. It fails to explain the forced conversion of newsmen like Steve Centanni of Fox News.

There is no justification for such acts, just as there was no justification for both attacks on the WTC and other places.

Why all the trashing of cars etc. last year by the Muslim youths? What has France occupied lately?

There are countless other examples and American “occupation” of other countries does not begin to explain it. To insist that and that alone is the reason for Islamist actions is to severly underestimate the enemy. Paul and Scheuer do a disservice to the country by putting that forward as the sole reason.

Quite simply, the Islamist position to non-Islamists is “Submit or Die.” They wish to establish a Caliphate. I believe that Zawahiri has stated so.

[sauropod]

And that is why Ron Paul, overall, is the radical candidate in the race. In both parties, no one else is advocating such fundamental changes to our bloated and incompetent federal government.

I would say Tancredo would be just such a candidate.