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An Inconvenient Solution (Carbon trading)
City Journal ^ | Summer 2007 | Nicole Gelinas

Posted on 08/31/2007 12:43:54 AM PDT by neverdem

Carbon trading, the increasingly accepted answer to global warming, will cost far more than we’re being told.

In a short time, global warming has graduated from niche cause to accepted fact. Though skeptics may still grumble (or shout) that the science isn’t settled, they’ve lost the battle when President Bush agrees to “seriously consider” an international climate-change treaty; when media mogul Rupert Murdoch writes that “climate change poses clear, catastrophic threats”; when conservative standard-bearer National Review runs a cover article saying that “it’s no longer possible, scientifically or politically, to deny that human activities have very likely increased global temperatures”; when Ford CEO Alan Mulally tells the Detroit News that “temperature has increased . . . mainly because of the greenhouse gases keeping the heat in”; and when New York Times everyman columnist Tom Friedman exhorts us to “go green.” Al Gore—who, less than a decade ago, dropped his nearly career-spanning obsession with climate change, recognizing that no serious politician could make it the cornerstone of a presidential campaign—now has an Oscar for the global-warming documentary An Inconvenient Truth. Some 84 percent of Americans think that human beings are contributing to global warming, with 78 percent (and 60 percent of Republicans) saying that we should do something about it “right away,” according to an April New York Times/CBS News poll.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agw; carbontrading; climatechange; globalwarming
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It's bad enough that so many folks seem to be convinced about anthropogenic global warming, but carbon trading is just lunacy, IMHO.
1 posted on 08/31/2007 12:43:56 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They shouldn’t call them carbon offsets. A more accurate name would be carbon indulgences.


2 posted on 08/31/2007 12:58:30 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
As its not certain that any carbon is actually being offset, except perhaps some accounting flummery, this is better labeled as a plain old fraud of incredible proportions! This is the Left having fun and making profit on taking the concept of pollution offsets to a shell corporation extreme.

It has the added benefit for them, that when this whole mountain comes toppling down, pollution offset contracts will come down with them. This is something environmentalists may very well be hoping for.

3 posted on 08/31/2007 2:17:03 AM PDT by dalight
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To: neverdem

Never have so many fallen for such outright deceit.

What is it about this topic that makes normally sensible people lose all ability to think?!


4 posted on 08/31/2007 2:24:12 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: neverdem

Bush has been the biggest disappointment. I wonder if the conservative radio hosts challenged him on his global warming comments?


5 posted on 08/31/2007 2:33:55 AM PDT by ryan71 (I refuse to label anything I post, "sarcasm".)
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To: USNBandit

Carbon indulgences.

Exactly correct. And who needs them most: the rich and famous advocates of global warming.

And to whom SHOULD these payments go? Well, actually, there is not one single person or group on the face of the earth that deserves to get paid because others are using fuel to warm their homes, drive their cars, and conduct their business.

However, I’ve decided that they can send all their guilty conscience money to ME. :>)


6 posted on 08/31/2007 2:36:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: neverdem

MSM doing a great job with the sheeple...78%...WOW thats really effective.


7 posted on 08/31/2007 2:43:55 AM PDT by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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To: neverdem

Follow the money. Right into Algore’s pocket.


8 posted on 08/31/2007 2:48:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: neverdem
The people who purchase "carbon credits" are the same ones who traveled to Gore's Earth First concert in luxury like this:


9 posted on 08/31/2007 2:55:47 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: neverdem
Such mitigation schemes are a hoax as much as global warming. They won't ever reduce C02 even marginally and they would impose huge costs on the economy. C02 is important to life and the only way to reduce it to the 1990 levels is to halt economic growth altogether. Will the American people accept fewer jobs, a decreased standard of living and increased poverty to fight an entirely imaginary problem? That's a very good question. Man-made activities are a marginal factor in climate change; natural forces which can't be controlled by Man, are far more relevant. The notion our planet faces a natural catastrophe if nothing is done, is hogwash.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 08/31/2007 3:03:34 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
C02 is important to life and the only way to reduce it to the 1990 levels is to halt economic growth altogether

It turns out that the only way to reduce atmospheric CO2 is for the climate to have been colder 800 years ago! Changes in global temperature precede changes in atmospheric CO2 - and they precede them by about eight hundred years.

This extraordinary lag time is due to the source of the CO2: it outgasses from the oceans, which are an enormous heat-sink

The Vostok ice cores hold a record of CO2 vs atmospheric temperature data going back 420,000 yrs. The temp vs CO2 data behaviour from Vostok is shown below. The average lag is on the order of eight hundred years. So you are quite right - there's not much we can do about atmospheric CO2 - and we shouldn't be worried by it anyway

Hope this is helpful, Sir

11 posted on 08/31/2007 3:25:15 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH

hey i get warm in the daytime when the sun comes out...

so don’t tell me the globe don’t get warm ......

and as the day goes by why it gets EVEN warmer....yes, that’s RIGHT...

so don’t tell me there’s no such thing as A WARM globe and as a matter of fack i think we’s a warmin up right along...

man, i live it every single day....

thank god algore made me realize i was getting warm becuuse of out of control warming, globe-wise....

course i do live in florida....so...

(all you people who deny the algorical, are gonna get a nasty exxon letter from olympia and rocky to)

i reserve the balance of my time.....


12 posted on 08/31/2007 3:48:47 AM PDT by flat
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH

hey i get warm in the daytime when the sun comes out...

so don’t tell me the globe don’t get warm ......

and as the day goes by why it gets EVEN warmer....yes, that’s RIGHT...

so don’t tell me there’s no such thing as A WARM globe and as a matter of fack i think we’s a warmin up right along...

man, i live it every single day....

thank god algore made me realize i was getting warm becuuse of out of control warming, globe-wise....

course i do live in florida....so...

(all you people who deny the algorical, are gonna get a nasty exxon letter from olympia and rocky to)

i reserve the balance of my time.....


13 posted on 08/31/2007 3:52:25 AM PDT by flat
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To: neverdem

This is leading to carbon taxes.


14 posted on 08/31/2007 4:49:09 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: flat

I’m waiting for beachfront property values to drop......then I’ll sorta, maybe, think the planet is getting warmer. I could move up to West Virginia and make out for a few years.


15 posted on 08/31/2007 6:10:24 AM PDT by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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To: dalight
I shop quite a bit at REI, which is run by a bunch of tree huggers. They offer some pretty extreme outdoor guided trips to all sorts of places. This year they started buying offsets for the carbon based transportation they use on these trips.

If they really believe this junk science they would offset the carbon consumption within their own company or would take the money they are wasting buying offsets and use it for some real conservation effort.

16 posted on 08/31/2007 8:32:31 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
A more accurate name would be carbon indulgences.

Yup -- see tagline.

17 posted on 08/31/2007 8:34:23 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: neverdem

Full title: An Inconvenient Solution to an Imaginary Problem


18 posted on 08/31/2007 8:36:08 AM PDT by TChris (Has anyone under Mitt Romney's leadership ever been worse off because he is Mormon?)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
This is leading to carbon taxes.

Exactly. I expect to see this in my phone bill in the near future.

19 posted on 08/31/2007 8:43:47 AM PDT by shorty_harris
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To: agere_contra

Have you ever read point #5 in my profile? Your point about CO2 outgassing is completely wrong. That is not how the system works.


20 posted on 08/31/2007 10:38:59 AM PDT by cogitator (Welcome to my world!)
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