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The Asian Example (Iraq & Viet Nam)
New York Sun ^ | August 23, 2007 | Staff Editorial

Posted on 08/29/2007 5:56:00 PM PDT by neverdem

No sooner had President Bush issued an advance of his remarks to the Veterans of Foreign Wars on the topic of Iraq and Vietnam than the big Democratic Party foghorns went into attack mode. The president, speaking at Kansas City, said, "One unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like ‘boat people,' ‘reeducation camps,' and ‘killing fields.'" The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times got right on the blower to the liberal historian Robert Dallek, who, according to the report in the Los Angeles paper, "accused" Mr. Bush of "twisting history." Quoth Mr. Dallek: "It just boggles the mind, the distortions I feel are perpetrated here by the president."

"We were in Vietnam for 10 years," Mr. Dallek said. "We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we did in all of World War II in every theater. We lost 58,700 American lives, the second-greatest loss of lives in a foreign conflict. And we couldn't work our will." Mr. Dallek, however, has taken a shallow view of Vietnam. There is a competing school of thought that comprehends that we could, and did, work our will on the battlefield, only to fail in the Congress, where the Democratic Party panicked and cut off all aid to free Vietnam — more than a year after the last combat GI had been withdrawn from Vietnam. In other words, the decision of the 93rd and 94th Congresses to abandon free Vietnam had nothing to do with the 58,700 American lives. It was a betrayal of their sacrifice.

The truth is that Mr. Bush is way ahead of his critics. The president was talking about a much bigger picture than Vietnam — the example...

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraqvietnam
The neoCOMs are squealing like stuck pigs.
1 posted on 08/29/2007 5:56:02 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Amen.


2 posted on 08/29/2007 5:59:28 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: neverdem

forget history......repeat history.....


3 posted on 08/29/2007 6:00:23 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: neverdem

I lived in the refugee camps that Johnny Boy Effin Kerry, and Janie Fondle said “wouldn’t happen”.

Does anyone know how really hard it is to look into the face of your ally, and tell them, “we bugged out for a reason you know”.

Too many Vietnamese looked me in the face and asked a one word question:

“Why?”

I couldn’t answer.

Its my thing to deal with.


4 posted on 08/29/2007 6:06:27 PM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: neverdem

Since even before the beginning of his Presidency, I have been impressed by George W. Bush’s impressive grasp of strategy.

Before the primary process had even begun, he had achieved such dominance in support among the major contributors to the republican party that any primary opposition was futile.

At the very onset of his primary campaign, the land was purchased in a shadowy process, and construction began on his Crawford Texas “family ranch”. It was finished as a “Texas White House” just before his inauguration.

NBC’s Saturday Night Live made fun of GW Bush in a mock debate, coining the word “strategery” to describe his strategy and world view. Little did they suspect that what he uses for strategy is so advanced that it almost needs a new word to describe it. The word “strategery” should be as connected to GW Bush as the word “normalcy” is to Warren G. Harding.

Most people have only a limited grasp of linear strategy. The more intelligent perhaps imagine it much like a game of chess. But in the case of GW Bush, his “strategery” is like 3-D chess.

This may even be a greater concept than what his father, GHW Bush used. His father believed in vast numbers of “linkages” to events and nations, forming a vast web of interconnecting policies and activities, any one of which affected many others. So all must be considered in planning, to avoid as many unintended consequences as possible.

But from the unique vantage point of “strategery”, GW Bush has such an advantage over any other world leader, that he can order a policy, that “There is no such thing as a loss or failure, only opportunities that have not been exploited.”

Only a master strategist has so many possibilities available to them that they could consider such a philosophy. But it has a profound effect on planning.

In retrospect of his administration so far, almost nothing he has achieved on the major strategic level has come to light. The prevention of nuclear conflicts, the reordering of the Middle East, the creation of the Africa Command now situated in the most volatile yet strategically important region of the planet, the restructuring of the US military, the opening of India (far more than Nixon opened China) and the US alignment with same, etc.

The accomplishments of his administration are amazing, made even more so by the malignant neglect of the Clinton administration before him.

How much of his “strategery” is his, and how much was a product of his profoundly intellectual subordinates we will never know, but the effects of “strategery” will be felt for decades to come.


5 posted on 08/29/2007 6:34:39 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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A lot of the Democrat politicians and liberals on the BBC HYS (at least) responded to Bush's Vietnam connection by harping on how the United States should not have invaded Iraq.

That point is not relevant, whether or not the United States should have gone into Iraq. The point is that the United States is now in Iraq, and the country has an obligation to the Iraqi people and to the American and coalition troops who have died to try to bring about a peaceful country in Iraq.

If draconian measures have to be taken, so be it. Suspect that draconian measures should have been used already.

To withdraw now would be a betrayal of the Iraqi people and American and coalition troops, not only those who have died, but also those who have been separated from their families and loved ones and who have endured a life of danger while in Iraq.

6 posted on 08/29/2007 6:41:01 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Popocatapetl
Chess figuratively stinks.

As you might have guessed, figuratively stink at playing chess.


As for your main topic, don't have such a glowing view of Bush's foreign policy(ies).

7 posted on 08/29/2007 6:47:10 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: All; Al Gator; ThanhPhero; angkor; kristinn; do the dhue; sageb1; CBart95; Alamo-Girl

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Actually, with the same Anti-Freedom Activists that killed Freedom for a then Free South Vietnam long ago now pushing hard to regain control of our Oval Office in a new time of war with our own Freedom at stake right here at home, isn’t it now all our turns to stop them this time around..?

Anti-Freedom Activists like:

HILLARY RODHAM
WILLIAM CLINTON
TED KENNEDY
JOHN KERRY
BARBARA BOXER
JANE FONDA
TOM HAYDEN
JESSE JACKSON
RAMSEY CLARK (21st Century’s SADDAM Defense Attorney)
..and all.

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NEVER FORGET that...
..after TED KENNEDY pushed a post-WATERGATE Congress into cutting off all our funding for the then Free South Vietnamese People to fight for their own Freedom with during the Vietnam War,

..just as the Soviet Union gave $6 Billion in 600 tanks, 1,000’s of Artillery pieces and Ammo to the Communist North Vietnamese People for their planned ‘Final Solution’ in the South,

..horridly came:

.

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

..”JOURNEY from the FALL”.. MoviePremieres = Fall of Saigon CLARITY..

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806248/posts

.

And all the while TED KENNEDY has just known better. For, at the very begining of the Vietnam War in 1965 TED KENNEDY toured military units fighting for Freedom all over a then Free South Vietnam.

(See 5th Photo Down)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

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Signed:..”ALOHA RONNIE” Guyer
Veteran-1st Major Battles for Freedom of the Vietnam War 1965-1966
Pro-Freedom Citizen Activist 1997-2007

http://www.ModernDayHeroes.com/aloha

See: ‘Resource Center’

..then..

See: ‘Aloha Ronnie’


8 posted on 08/29/2007 7:05:16 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

“(See 5th Photo Down)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

Well what do you know.?! First time I’ve seen that. Who’d a thunk it? Thanks, Ronnie.


9 posted on 08/29/2007 7:25:47 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: All; sageb1

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Thank you for your kindness, sabeb1.

My TED KENNEDY in 1965’s Free South Vietnam Photo was taken way before he went a bit off the deep end, during a 1969 Moon Landing weekend his own brother JFK had made possible. It was also taken just 2 years after JFK’s Assassination. A JFK I had also shaken hands with on the very day he was to accept his Democrat Party’s 1960 Nomination for President of the United States in Los Angeles.

A TED KENNEDY Photo taken just weeks before I was to quickly turn from being a moderate into a strong conservative while walking in the Valley of Death known as the IA DRANG Valley Battle of November 1965.

http://www.lzxray.com

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.RickRescrola.com/The%20Statue.htm

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

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10 posted on 08/29/2007 8:45:29 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


11 posted on 08/29/2007 9:27:07 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
No sooner had President Bush issued an advance of his remarks to the Veterans of Foreign Wars on the topic of Iraq and Vietnam than the big Democratic Party foghorns went into attack mode.

Reminds me of all the huffing and puffing the media did after GWB landed on the carrier and had that wonderful photo op in the flight suit.

His comments about Vietnam struck a major nerve...

12 posted on 08/29/2007 9:33:36 PM PDT by Snardius
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To: neverdem

Don’t Let Hanoi Jane turn into Jihad Jane
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1873051/posts


13 posted on 08/31/2007 9:43:49 AM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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