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Debating Ron Paul
National Ledger ^ | Aug 29, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 08/29/2007 4:59:22 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican

Ron Paul supporters are fast making a name for themselves on the web. Not because they are just web savvy, but because they have proven themselves to be the best at hacking on-line polls, invalidating conservative polling data on behalf of their candidate. It seems that even Democrat 527 MoveOn.org is now onboard the Ron Paul anti-war train.

Despite the fact that presidential candidate Ron Paul can not score better than 3% in any legitimate national poll, his supporters claim he is “the conservative” candidate to beat in the 2008 Republican race for the White House. Despite his less than conservative voting record in congress and his Teddy Kennedy like position on the war on terror in Iraq, his supporters think he is the most “conservative” candidate in the race. How?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: binladensboy; daviddukespresident; isolationism; liberalism; libertarians; nationalsecurity; nutburger; paulbearers; paulestinians; ronnutters; rupaul
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To: PlainOleAmerican; traviskicks
The war on drugs in America is not a failure. It just isn’t over...

Hmmm...The Xlinton attack on Bosnia/Kosovo in favor of Muslim narcoterrorists and against the Christians there who were suffering gang rapes and murder and persecution was carried out with the full public support of both George W. and McStain (many threads on it here at FR). We remain a key player in the area under U.N. auspices. This area is directly connected to the heroin trade and is the processing and distribution center for (wait, you can see it coming) the poppy farmers of Afghanistan, a country we control but show no interest whatsoever in destroying their poppy crops which will become the heroin sold in Europe and America.

I guess if heroin is Good and hemp is Utter Evil, then the War On Drugs is a blazing success. Regardless, when the U.S. absolutely controls the source of the poppies and is capable of exerting control over the processing/distribution centers in the Balkans, I don't see how you can claim there is any very serious War On Drugs being conducted.

In addition to leaving the heroin trade completely intact, we have aided and abetted the persecution of Christians in the Balkans just as our toppling of Saddam and the installation of a government in Iraq under Islam as the state religion has led directly to the persecution of Christians throughout Iraq (except the Kurdish north where they are well-treated generally). However, the biggest victims of Kosovo and Iraq are their Christian populations. And the heroin trade from Afghanistan via Kosovo is unmolested, last year producing the largest heroin yield in history. That's one impressive War On (Some) Drugs, all right.
181 posted on 08/29/2007 8:54:06 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: Dead Corpse
Because the bill that Paul voted against specifically referenced securing the border against bringing in drugs illegally and terrorists coming over. This bill was not in reference to making drugs legal or illegal, it was about closing the border.

Even if drugs were legal, the bill would still apply because congress has a constitutional duty to regulate commerce and repel invasion.

182 posted on 08/29/2007 8:54:28 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul- The candidate of David Duke, StormFront, 911Truthers, Code Pink, and Wild Shrimp)
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To: Dead Corpse

How about Thompson/Hunter?


183 posted on 08/29/2007 8:54:47 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: radioman

sitting out has a very similar effect to voting third party, no?


184 posted on 08/29/2007 8:56:26 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: George W. Bush

Did anyone suggest the war on drugs was any more seriously fought than the war on terror?

Both wars are worth fighting. But only if we get serious about winning...


185 posted on 08/29/2007 8:59:06 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
A friend and fellow writer recently pointed out that libertarians are actually just social liberals who don’t want any of their money used to fund the natural consequences of a socially liberal society. They pretend to be conservatives, when all they really are is money conscious liberals with an isolationist view of the world they live in.

That passage right there hits it out of the park farther than any Barroid-juiced ball.
186 posted on 08/29/2007 9:00:09 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: t_skoz
Let’s see what Ronald Reagan had to say about US involvement and intervention in Middle East holy wars and civil wars, shall we?

Just don't post what President Reagan wrote in his diary about George W. on May 17, 1986. LOL!
187 posted on 08/29/2007 9:02:55 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
sitting out has a very similar effect to voting third party, no?

That may be true but it's still a loser for the RP. You aren't going to bring back libertarians by attacking the only Republican they like.
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188 posted on 08/29/2007 9:03:29 AM PDT by radioman
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Obviously, you have NOT done your homework on this writer...or much of anything else. www.JB-Williams.com

A tired partisan hack who has skewed his little hit-piece shamefully.

I'll take Walter Williams any day. In addition to being a favorite fill-in for Rush, he's a great Austrian economist and has broadly sound conservative views.

And he has endorsed Ron Paul. Ron Paul has named him as the kind of person he would select as VP.

Walter E. Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
189 posted on 08/29/2007 9:07:58 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: OCCASparky

Truer words have never been spoken!


190 posted on 08/29/2007 9:12:58 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

70% wins elections. Even though you think it’s ‘wrong’. ‘Wrong’ is in the eye of the beholder. 70% thinks they are ‘right’. That’s what wins in a democracy, like it or not.


191 posted on 08/29/2007 9:15:24 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: radioman

You also can’t bring them back by allowing them to foolishly follow a liberal isolationist into the tank...

But your point is well made and worth consideration.


192 posted on 08/29/2007 9:15:25 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Thank you.


193 posted on 08/29/2007 9:17:01 AM PDT by radioman
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To: George W. Bush

another wiki dependent...

Your liberal pettycoat is showing...


194 posted on 08/29/2007 9:17:07 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Did anyone suggest the war on drugs was any more seriously fought than the war on terror?

Is it possible that you'll actually connect the dots...

Both wars are worth fighting. But only if we get serious about winning...

<sigh>

Nope.
195 posted on 08/29/2007 9:17:46 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Of course, in this case, there is a really good chance Paul will take more votes from Hillary than any other candidate. After all, Code Pink, MoveOn.org and DU have already defined him as the real anti-war candidate...

He stated in his interview with Medved he won't run third party. In that case he'll take no votes from Hillary. And the moveon and codepink folk won't be supporting a Republican candidate, so he's a non-factor in the general election.

196 posted on 08/29/2007 9:18:19 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: t_skoz
Here in NH Ron Paul is the only candidate with any real grassroots support.

I believe the term you're looking for is astroturfing.

Che-Porter was a grassroots candidate too--look where she got us. Paul cannot and will not win in NH. Thank God we don't have an open primary.
197 posted on 08/29/2007 9:18:39 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: ex-snook

70% of Palestinians elected terror organization Hamas to head their country and now they are trying to fight their way back out of that corner...

Americans are free to do the same if they like...


198 posted on 08/29/2007 9:18:39 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: George W. Bush

Need a drawing?


199 posted on 08/29/2007 9:19:47 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: SJackson

If these folks throw enough money at him, he’ll change his mind about a third party run...and these folks have money and they ain’t happy with Hillary or any other Democrat who failed to pull out of Iraq the moment they took control of congress.


200 posted on 08/29/2007 9:21:55 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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