Debating Ron Paul

National Ledger ^ | Aug 29, 2007 | JB Williams

[PlainOleAmerican]

Ron Paul supporters are fast making a name for themselves on the web. Not because they are just web savvy, but because they have proven themselves to be the best at hacking on-line polls, invalidating conservative polling data on behalf of their candidate. It seems that even Democrat 527 MoveOn.org is now onboard the Ron Paul anti-war train.

Despite the fact that presidential candidate Ron Paul can not score better than 3% in any legitimate national poll, his supporters claim he is “the conservative” candidate to beat in the 2008 Republican race for the White House. Despite his less than conservative voting record in congress and his Teddy Kennedy like position on the war on terror in Iraq, his supporters think he is the most “conservative” candidate in the race. How?

[trisham]

The most important distinction thoug, Reagan recognized we were fighting a virulent, ideologically motivated enemy, the Evil Empire. Paul does not recognize the nature of the enemy, in fact denies that Islam plays any role in terrorism, and attributes the violence to what is essentially American colonialism. From Reagan's perspective, yes, we're at war. From Paul's, there's no coherent enemy, we're dealing with the actions of individuals motivated by our transgressions. More a criminal issue than a world conflict.

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Well said.

[Dead Corpse]

Er... nothing in there about "drugs" anywhere...

Drop the language about your idiotic "drug war" and putting the troops on the border makes perfect sense.

[Dead Corpse]

The same could be said for Rudy McRomney. I don’t see you advocating any of them drop out...

[mysterio]

Let's ostracise, and denigrate all Paul supporters. Then we can go after the Libertarians, and any that didn't vote for Bush. Let's clean this place up.

The Republicans leave the libertarians standing outside the tent in the rain. And then once every two years, they come out of the tent, punch the libertarians in the face, and demand a vote.

If the libertarian vote is meaningless and libertarians are nothing but kooks, why do Republicans feel entitled to that vote?

[PlainOleAmerican]

national elections are decided by less than 3% of the vote in recent years...

Need I say more?

Of course, in this case, there is a really good chance Paul will take more votes from Hillary than any other candidate. After all, Code Pink, MoveOn.org and DU have already defined him as the real anti-war candidate...

[Oberon]

But let’s not let the drug dealers take over our nation...

No, of course not.

Securing the borders would go a long way toward solving that problem. I'm all for it myself.

[mnehring]

But let’s not let the drug dealers take over our nation...

What a lot of people fail to admit is that the drug supply is sponsored by governments who are not friendly to the US. It is a weapon as much as sending over Mohammad with a bomb vest, except, a lot of people want to welcome drugs.

[ex-snook]

Is that the best you got - 70% of Americans are fools?

[trisham]

I’m a Fred Thompson supporter. I’m fine with everyone but him dropping out. :)

[mnehring]

You are now just being silly.

If drugs are considered a ‘product’ then it falls under the definition of commerce.

If drugs are considered a ‘weapon’, then it falls under defense clauses.

If drugs are considered an illegal substance, then it falls under several other clauses mentioned.

If drug dealers and smugglers are coming into this country illegally, then that falls under the clause giving responsibility to repel invasion.

The Constitution doesn’t specifically have the word computer in it, so why are you typing on one..

[Dead Corpse]

I prefer Duncan Hunter. A Hunter/Thompson ticket would be Gonzo... ;-)

[Dead Corpse]

It took an Amendment to prohibit Alcohol. Why the end run on the Constitution for other supposedly “illicit” substances?

[trisham]

I prefer Thompson/Hunter. Then, in eight years, Hunter can run again and take eight more. :)

[Dead Corpse]

Hehhe... sounds interesting, but I’m not sure the SCOTUS would let that one fly.

[PlainOleAmerican]

drugs, illegals, terrorists, they are all dangerous to America and they are all worth stopping at the border!

[radioman]

national elections are decided by less than 3% of the vote in recent years...

Yes, the national election hinges on the libertarian vote but the majority of them will probably sit out the 2008 election so you have nothing to fear.
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[PlainOleAmerican]

I’ll second that!

[PlainOleAmerican]

I will...

[PlainOleAmerican]

As a response to “70% want it so it must be right”, yeah, can you think of a better answer to such nonsense?

[from occupied ga]

You mean in as "freep this poll?"