Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Fears over factoids (debunks mini black hole fears, He3 as fuel source)
Physicsworld.com ^ | Aug 3, 2007 | Frank Close

Posted on 08/28/2007 10:07:29 PM PDT by beezdotcom

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-27 next last
Any reaction to this? I pretty much knew about the mini black hole scenario, but I was dismayed to see that He3 may not be such a good deal.
1 posted on 08/28/2007 10:07:30 PM PDT by beezdotcom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom
And the Russians have also committed to mining He3...won't THEY be surprised.
2 posted on 08/28/2007 10:13:09 PM PDT by beezdotcom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom
We’re going to need the black hole scenario, to give doomsayers something to be alarmed about, after the GW scare has been debunked.
3 posted on 08/28/2007 10:13:49 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

“the black hole scenario” ....

I hope this ha nothing to do with Larry Craig!


4 posted on 08/28/2007 10:23:06 PM PDT by Lawdoc (My dad married my aunt, so now my cousins are my brothers. Go figure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Lawdoc

ha = has


5 posted on 08/28/2007 10:24:28 PM PDT by Lawdoc (My dad married my aunt, so now my cousins are my brothers. Go figure.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom

This story has more to do with the morons at the BBC, and government sponsored service and offers a warning for US documentarians as well.

Making up or misquoting facts for ratings is beyond simply unethical. It’s wrong and can lead to a misinformed public.


6 posted on 08/28/2007 11:11:51 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom

7 posted on 08/28/2007 11:15:47 PM PDT by Nick Danger (www.vvlf.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: timer

Want in on this dog fight?


8 posted on 08/28/2007 11:44:57 PM PDT by anymouse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom
This has more to do with the politics of fusion research funding than science.


Harrison J. Schmitt, Adjunct Professor

This professor, former Apollo Astronaut (yeah, he's been there, researched that) and former U.S. Senator (R-NM) might disagree with this author.

Professor Schmitt is a consultant engaged in research with the Fusion Technology Institute on the utilization of resources from space, including the feasibility of using helium-3 from the moon to supply energy on Earth. He also teaches a popular course, Resources from Space. An astronaut on the Apollo 17 mission to the moon, Schmitt has first-hand knowledge of the space environment.

9 posted on 08/28/2007 11:52:12 PM PDT by anymouse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: anymouse

Interesting.... so the FTI is really pushing the helium-3 from the moon idea..... they should be presented with this article for response.

http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/gallery


10 posted on 08/29/2007 12:00:20 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom

This is the first time in a long time that I have seen the word “factoid” used correctly. A “factoid” is something that looks like a fact, but isn’t, as an android looks like a man, but isn’t. It isn’t a “little fact” or an interesting bit of trivia. The word was coined by Norman Mailer. It is properly used of, for instance, fictitious but plausible incidents inserted into biographical novels or films, particularly hostile ones, that make a character look bad.


11 posted on 08/29/2007 1:19:41 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom; KevinDavis; RightWhale

The He3 on the moon is regularly cited by supporters of a return to the moon on FR. This is the first I’ve heard that it’s pretty much a myth.


12 posted on 08/29/2007 3:19:20 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: saganite
The He3 on the moon is regularly cited by supporters of a return to the moon on FR

Guilty! But in my defence, the great thing about He3 fusion is that not that its easy to do (it isn't - the coulumb barrier is indeed higher for 3He + D) but that the primary product is a high energy single proton. This can be contained using emg fields resulting in direct electricity generation, rather than trying to recover the fusion energy thermally.

However there are side reactions that create high-energy alphas that make the He3 route less attractive than it might be - and so the difficulty of the reaction becomes more important.

So us Regolith miners are just going to have to return to the best reason for going to the Moon - its got water, and it would make a great base for exploiting the outer solar system. If we don't, somebody else will.

13 posted on 08/29/2007 4:58:51 AM PDT by agere_contra
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom

Anyone know if “Angels and Demons” was ever made into a movie. Loved the Book!


14 posted on 08/29/2007 4:59:59 AM PDT by wolfcreek (tagline on holiday)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom

Doomsday scenarios are not new.

A small,but not insignificant, minority of Manhattan Project physicists thought that the Trinity test could touch off a chain reaction that would consume the whole atmosphere.

Fortunately for us, they were wrong. There’s still air here. I’ve been to White Sands, and there’s still air there, too.


15 posted on 08/29/2007 5:03:47 AM PDT by ReignOfError
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom
It's interesting to see the other side of this here
16 posted on 08/29/2007 6:22:07 AM PDT by GregoryFul (how'd that get there?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: anymouse
This has more to do with the politics of fusion research funding than science.

Yes, but that's exactly what scares me. I've seen enough to know that not all science is good science, especially when it's 'popular' - Man-Made Global Warming is a prime example.

In fact, MMGW is the BEST analogy. I certainly agree that we should improve fuel efficiency, reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and a number of other goals - but I won't be stampeded into doing the WRONG things in the WRONG ways based on junk science (like corn ethanol). Similarly, I believe we should be going to the Moon, and using whatever beneficial materials we find there - but the last thing I want to do is sell it all on the basis of He3 fusion, only to have the rug pulled out from underneath if it is later discovered that He3 isn't particularly good for that sort of thing.

The part of this article that worries me most is where it outlines that a deuterium-He3 reactor would inevitably end up producing a large number of deuterium-tritium reactions, and an He3-He3 reactor is currently beyond our abilities. I think this is the most important part to rebut if a case is to be made for lunar He3 mining - and so far, I haven't found anything that rebuts this.
17 posted on 08/29/2007 7:19:03 AM PDT by beezdotcom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: anymouse
Well, actually, Kulcinski IS doing He3-He3 reactions, but currently by using 106 times more energy than is released. Still, I guess it's a start.
18 posted on 08/29/2007 7:33:01 AM PDT by beezdotcom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: saganite

19 posted on 08/29/2007 7:40:44 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: beezdotcom
I believe the ignition point for He3 is over 400M deg due to the additional proton repulsion.

20 posted on 08/29/2007 7:55:57 AM PDT by Zathras
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-27 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson