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To: Eric Blair 2084
My post at 268 on that thread addresses my reservation about our nation building adventure in Iraq. Not one post in the hundreds that followed disputed my synopsis or refuted my assertions.
187 posted on 08/27/2007 10:29:24 PM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: KDD

OK: The arguments you make are not entirely assinine, except for the parts where you reference public opinion as being your source of wisdom on military and foreign policy matters.....

“Do Ron Paul supporters support military nation building police actions in remote parts of the world? No, most do not. We are now in the process in Iraq of building up a country that has adopted Sharia Law and the Koran as it’s foundational basis in law. One that has close ties to Shia Iran, thus Hezbolluh. If Islamists are our fundemental enemy then what we are doing is unconscionable. We have stupidly created a super Shia Islamic alliance between Iran Iraq and Syria in the heart of the ME.

We have neglected our primary mission in Afghanistan to capture or kill those responsible for 9/11. The resurgence of Afgani heroin imports are once again flooding Europe. The Taliban had stopped this flow of drugs to the rest of the world. Our lack of resolve there has destabilized Pakistan and put the possibility of a nuclear armed Islamic theocracy closer to reality then anything happening in Iraq or even Iran. We have ignored the complicity of Saudia Arabia in financing the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11 and see on our television George Bush holding hands and strolling in the garden with one of the major backers of Wahhabism in the world. Our other “axis of evil” participant, Korea, is given the Carter treatment by this administration. Our open borders are an open invitation to terrorists and other criminals who wish us harm. So the question should not be why Paul supporters do not support this administrations foreign policies, but why 29% of the American people still do.”

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We live in a world that glorifies and indeed demands instant results. Fast food, faxes, text messaging, e-mail, instant coffee, microwaves...

The fact of the matter is that nobody...not you are I and especially not the power hungry left wing Socialists who have staked their political future on American defeat...know how this Iraq invasion/experiment will turn out.

We’ll know for sure in 25 years. If Iraq become a Shi’a theocracy and a puppet state of Iran, it was a miserable idea. If Iraq become a shining beacon of freedom that causes the citizens of other autocratic and theocratic Mid East regimes to aspire to their Iraqi neighbor’s status, then George W. Bush, the president not the FR poster, will have his face carved in Mount Rushmore.


191 posted on 08/27/2007 10:50:26 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: KDD

Pulling out of Iraq

If you haven’t noticed, much of the world’s oil is coming out of the Middle East. The much of the rest is under the thumb of Socialists who wish us ill. China, Russia or the USA can influence the Middle East and each would have the ability to keep the oil flowing or shut it down.

Of the three, which would you like to see influence the Middle East?

If we start down the path of energy independence and announce that we would be building 10 plants to convert our shale into usable petroleum, open up our coasts to offshore drilling and if we announce we were going to build 40 nuclear plants in 7 years, I wouldn’t care quite so much who had their finger on the spigot. That isn’t going to happen unless we purge our environmentalists and their cadre of lawyers.

Right now we have held at bay the nuts with nukes threatening the worldwide flow of oil. They potentially could damage the world economy by taking out oil production and refineries. I would consider that a threat to our security and justification for sticking our nose into the Middle East’s business.

There is a lot at play and many hidden strings that are being pulled to see that fail in our endeavor in the Middle East.

Who’s interests would be served by the Jihad winning the war?
Russia
China
Venezuela
The Democratic party
Most of the media
Most of Europe

That just makes me itch thinking about being in bed with that crowd. Doesn’t it seem strange that the Paulistinians would be encouraging freepers to join them?

Who’s interests would be served by the Jihad winning the war? Who’s interests would be served by electing a anti-war candidate and why wouldn’t they funnel money to organizations to push a presidential candidate that will lose the war to the Jihadists?


208 posted on 08/28/2007 5:53:39 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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