Posted on 08/27/2007 12:59:56 PM PDT by rface
Washington D.C. 8/27/2007 5:20 PM GMT (FINDITT - Top Story)
USAElectionPolls.com has an audience of about 67,000 visitors per month according to the latest statistics by Quantcast -- making it the most visited polling website with the exception of RealClearPolitics. The web site has been having an online straw poll for three days on voters' preference for the 2008 election; both Democrats and Republicans are listed.
Ron Paul is leading the group of almost 20 candidates with 51%. Even more impressive is that he currently has 1744 votes while the second place candidate Dennis Kucinich has 613 votes -- 18%. Ron Paul leads the next closest Republican competitor in the online poll 51% to 3%.
Ordinarily, very little can be made of such results. They could be flukes. The web site's target audience could be Ron Paul, etc. But USAElectionPolls.com gets an immense amount of traffic all across the United States and it is a non-partisan website that talks about all of the candidates.
The poll is still open and can be found on the front page.
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Rudy Giuliani........2%......(67)
Fred Thompson .......1%......(47)
Mitt Romney..........3%.......(119)
John McCain..........0%.......(14)
Newt Gingrich........0%.......(17)
Mike Huckabee........1%.......(46)
Ron Paul.............52%.......(2022)
Tom Tancredo.........0%.........(12)
Sam Brownback.........0%........(5)
Duncan Hunter.........0%........(8)
Barack Obama..........10%.......(381)
John Edwards...........3%........(97)
Hillary Clinton........5%........(180)
Bill Richardson........1%.........(30)
Dennis Kucinich........17%........(666)
Joe Biden..............1%..........(27)
Mike Gravel............1%..........(23)
Chris Dodd.............0%..........(6)
Al Gore.................2%..........(87)
(1) I've seen no evidence that Ron Paul is a devout Christian, and barely any that he is a professing or practicing Christian, let alone a devout one.
(2) He doesn't consistently vote pro-life.
(3) While being pro-life is a sine qua non of conservatism, there is more to it than that.
Actually, JTN, your post, outlining Ron Paul’s interview with the Libertarian Reason Magazine doesn’t conclude what you think it does. By the way, why isn’t he running on the libertarian ticket?
From your post:
When asked by reason magazine, “The position of the Student Scholars is that 9/11 was executed by the U.S. government. Do you agree or disagree with that?” Paul responded, “I’d say there’s no evidence of that.”
He says there’s no evidence of that......
The answer should have been. How dare you suggest such a thing.
However, the fact remains that during a “9/11 was an inside job” rally, at least one Ron Paul supporter was present and holding a sign supporting him.
Ron Paul is not a conservative or a Republican. He’s a Liberaltarian. I can not and do not support Dr. Paul because of his anti-defense foreign policy. He won’t win the GOP nomination because he’s too extreme. We need a true conservative who will stand up to the terrorists and defend America. Not a coward who lives with his head in the sand.
IOW, you just outed yourself as another one of those who wants to believe Congressman Paul is a truther, rather than someone who believes it on the evidence.
If you want a stronger statement on the subject, reread the post. It's there.
JTN, I’ll be honest. I never thought Ron Paul was one of those kooks UNTIL I watched that History Channel show.
I saw that Ron Paul for President sign, being held at one of the “9/11 was an inside job” rallies. Now, I realize it could have been a rogue supporter who just happened to be attending one of those 9/11 was an inside job” rallies, but seriously, it seems the more some of you are trying to defend the guy, the worse it’s looking.
Anyhow, in my book, he’s insignificant.
“(2) He doesn’t consistently vote pro-life.”
I’ve seen his record and you are of course correct.
It is one thing to say that Ron Paul is, like many of his associates, a lunatic conspiracy theorist or an anti-Semite or both. He doesn't reveal enough of his inner thoughts on these matters to draw firm conclusions one way or another.
It is quite another matter to point out that by associating with rather than repudiating such people, Ron Paul is demonstrating a severe lack of judgment that would be dangerous in a dogcatcher - let alone a President.
I voted for Fred two hours ago. During that time period, Fred’s number has gone up by ‘2’. I find it hard to believe that only one other Freeper voted for Fred during that time period. I’m calling FOUL!
Uh huh. And what did the History Channel show say about Ron Paul and 9/11 truth?
I saw that Ron Paul for President sign, being held at one of the “9/11 was an inside job” rallies. Now, I realize it could have been a rogue supporter who just happened to be attending one of those 9/11 was an inside job” rallies
It was.
but seriously, it seems the more some of you are trying to defend the guy, the worse it’s looking.
How so? He was asked if he was on board with the truthers and answered, "Absolutely not." Just how strong does a denial need to be?
No, Ron Paul is the moral equivalent of John Kerry. He actually voted for it before he voted against it.
DesScorp writes: These Paulistinian headlines are starting to sound like 1950’s B movies...
“Ron Paul Conquers The World!”
“The Seven Labors of Ron Paul!”
“Ron Paul vs. Mothra”
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Interesting to see a positive Ron Paul headline make it onto FR Breaking News. It will be short lived. Here is a sneak preview of the upcoming headlines:
TOP 10 BOGUS RON PAUL HEADLINES THAT WILL SOON APPEAR ON FREE REPUBLIC:
10. Ron Paul is a member of al Qaeda CIA sources say
9. Ron Paul spotted with Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton snorting cocaine and drinking booze at a trendy LA nightspot
8. Ron Paul to be indicted for the 1994 murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman
7. Jim McGreevey Confession: Ron Paul was my gay lover
6. Ron Paul (aka Juan Valdez) Is an Illegal Mexican immigrant, ICE documents claim
5. AMA accuses Dr. Ron Paul of infecting his patients with HIV during his private practice
4. Congressman Ron Paul arrested for DWI; weapons cache and dead body found in trunk
3. Nude pictures of Ron Paul surface on the internet
2. Ron Paul indicted on federal dog fighting charges
1. Congressman Ron Paul vehemently denies membership in the 8 Tre Gangsta Crip street gang despite mounting evidence
If I am reading the results correctly, this means Ron Paul is the biggest strawman?
Ritter says crisis was orchestrated
Ritter knows what he's talking about here. Clinton's policy changed from ignoring the inspectors to asking them to give justification for a military strike.
Great summary of recent events! This topic has several threads running concurrently today and should be consolidated in one location by someone with more expertise than yours truly.
Strange, but while reading this article, I began thinking about the Gulf of Tonkin.
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Sure thing....but what are the odds we'll see this happen!
Do you realize, given the nature of the bombing campaign, that Clinton ordered an attack designed to oust Saddam from power in violation of international law (not that any sort of law would stop him)?
He wants to look like a hero and he's placing America in jeapordy to do it!
From: motsar (reality@america.com) * 12/20/98 20:28:58 PST
All of the elements are in place for a military strike today or Thursday and the probablilty is high that a attack will be launched which will include heavy civilian casualties. This is what Saddham is counting on to give him the propaganda coup he desires to get the sanctions lifted.
Saddham's story line will be: "Clinton is in danger of impeachment at home ergo he has launched the attack to save his job. Saddham has fully cooperated with the UN inspectors who have falsely manufactured Iraq's non-cooperation as an excuse to attack. That no weapons were destroyed because none exist and innocent civilians were killed. Clinton is an international criminal and should be tried for war crimes, etc."
No one has advanced any rationale for why the attack has to come now rather than any other time in the last 6 months other than it is the eve of impeachment. This will be picked up and noted by the world press and used to support a "wag the dog" story line against the US. Thus, Saddham will have once again played Clinton's domestic problems to his own advantage.
In the short term Clinton will achieve delaying the impeachment vote. Long term, it will boomerang on him and the public opinion backlash would carry him to conviction in the Senate and removal from office (unless he has some other card up his sleeve). This leaves open the obvious conclusion that another shoe will drop if we attack Iraq. Speculation as to terrorist attacks on the US or Israel are the most obvious retaliation avenues. A large scale terrorist attack on the US could cause Clinton to invoke "martial law" under various Executive Orders issued since the Koren War (including FEMA). Alternatively, a large scale attack on Isreal could start a real war in the middle east..
Very interesting scenario to contemplate. I guess we will know the "real story" by this weekend. Until then our battle cry should be: "even paranoids have enemies"! From: res ipsa loquitur () * 12/16/98 12:32:48 PST -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Spirit_Of_Truth_Page If Clinton is foolish enough to light the fuse, then God help us.
Does anybody really expect the Arab World to just sit back and take it?
There will be anti American riots everywhere, and possibly attacks on bases and service personnel in places like Saudi Arabia.
Clinton will be responsible for the deaths, not just of Iraqis but for, who knows how many, other lives.
From: MrDaddyLongLegs (Stopthismadness@once) * 12/16/98 12:43:51 PST
IRAQNOPHOBIA
1998
If you attempt any military action, you need a clear entry strategy, a clear objective, and a clear exit strategy. McCain knows about things military and this action is unequivocally a Wag The Dog Action on the part of this President. This is the same President who was "being serviced" while on the telephone with a congressman discussing whether or not to use military force. This is the President who is going to send your sons and grandsons to die as a distraction for Americans on the Impeachment and election issues. This is the man (?) who will do anything to save his own sorry butt no matter the cost to others. He'll let YOUR family members get killed, but wouldn't serve when it was his turn. When did so many Americans get so stupid?
Posted by: M� () * 10/11/98 11:11:40 PDT
The President's Speech, a few comments.
Clinton speech1998
I hope Saddam will come into cooperation with the inspection system now and comply with the relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions. But we have to be prepared that he will not, and we must deal with the very real danger he poses. So we will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction, and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people.
I hope? What a leader!
Long Term Strategy? I thought the object of a war would be to accomplish your goals as quickly as possible and get out of there. So, our men and women are going to be tied up in the Iraqi mess long term? As usual, Clinton is good at getting us tangled up in these messes but never has a clear exit strategy.
First, we must be prepared to use force again if Saddam takes threatening actions, such as trying to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction or their delivery systems, threatening his neighbors, challenging allied aircraft over Iraq, or moving against his own Kurdish citizens. The credible threat to use force and, when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War.
Use Force Again? In other words, we aren't going in there with the goal of finishing the job? We are going to be tied up with Iraq as long as Clinton remains president.
Topic: Bosnia
U.S.'s Bosnian SNAFU
Irish Times
September 6, 1997 AFP
But don't worry, the troops will be home in no time! Or HOW I STOPPED WORRYING AND LEARNED TO LOVE NEVER-ENDING POLICE ACTIONS.
Posted by: Bob Ireland
09/05/97 21:22:32 PDT
To: September 6, 1997!!
" HOW I STOPPED WORRYING AND LEARNED TO LOVE NEVER-ENDING POLICE ACTIONS."
Are you- psychic?
From: mrsmith
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Free Republic opposed Clinton bombing and going into Iraq over unproven accusations that Saddam was developing WMDs. Free Republic opposed military actions that Clinton took in Europe and Africa and Iraq...even while our pilots and soldiers were engaged in operations. Comments were made that it was patriotic to condemn a war that we got involved in under false pretenses. And that to bring our soldiers home from such debacles was "supporting our troops". Opposition to nation building wars was the standard opinion here...before a Republican came to office.
Saw your comment to the sidebar moderator from the moveon.org Ron Paul thread. That inspired me to write that.
BTW, you have my permission (in fact my strict orders, lol) to copy and paste that the next time you see a Ron Paul hit piece and I’m not around.
While we differ on Dr. Paul’s electability or credentials as leader of the free world, I will be damned if I sit by quietly and let one of the few libertarian Consititionalists who “get it” among the usual public serpents in elected office be dragged through the mud.
He doesn’t deserve it.
I love Ron Paul, but I have no interest in being banned from FR. Clearly Jim is pro going after the islamofascists on their own home turf. I want the USA to win, unlike the left wing politicos who have staked their political future on failure and defeat.
I've known and my family has known for longer than most FReepers that these people are dangerous.
Thanks for a good laugh!
ROFL!! I saw the pics. They were interesting.
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