[billbears]

You’re making the isolationist argument of the 1930’s, which was so discredited that the Democrats were able to rule for 50 year

No, the isolationist argument could not be made post Wilson's mistake. We had to fix the error our actions helped to create in Germany (that was the humane thing to do). Of course blocking off the Japanese (who would have been a good ally) partially for actions in Asia was a bad move but hey FDR wasn't known for being that smart was he? Course I imagine like Bush you think FDR was a good President...I just can't wait to see what the Chinese will do if someone like Hunter gets to be President. Protectionist war with a nation we're up to our eyeballs in debt with (partially to pay for the police action)? Oh it will be interesting

Have you heard of 9/11?

Yeah, I hear Rudy's running for President of it as a matter of fact. Ever hear of cause and effect? Why don't you let us all know when your faux fury over 9/11 is going to run out and exactly what the world will look like after it does. Let me guess, Arabs throwing chocolates and flowers at the troops...You can't blame everyone outside of our borders for it. I mean I can't ever imagine why the Arabs would be upset...after all the partitioning of their region was carried out by outside forces beginning in 1916 and in the process putting disparate groups together that don't like each other. Oh wait that's some of that pre-1941 history...you can look it up.

Is there anything that can wake you and your Ron Paul ilk up?

Yes. Iraq woke quite a few of the Classical Liberal/Old Conservatives up. Remember 2006? Try hawking a candidate that wants to 'stay the course' in Iraq. The defeat in '06 will look tame. You won't have a snowball's chance of winning the election and it will be a landslide in the Electoral College. But please do carry on under the false assumption that the general public will support the police action indefinitely.

[elhombrelibre]

Ah, well, Jveritas, help this know it all understand. You, jveritas, are an Arab, correct? You're a Christian one, I believe. And our most intelligent expert on the world, Miss Billbears, knows what Arabs want. He knows they're right to be "upset," as the gentle lady says. In my experience in Arab lands, admittedly not as long as the effiminine Missus Billbears, I believe that it is correct that the Arabs are quite capable of aspiring to more than anti-American claptrap that little sugar shorts Miss Billbears projects on to them. Self-goverment is not a uniquely Anglo phenomena, is it? And I don't think this projection should be used to undermine those Arabs who risked their lives to have self-goverment in Iraq or Lebanon making way for Iran and Syria. I may not have the feminine understanding that Miss Billbears has. I also sense an unhealthy dose of Liberal historical understanding of the Middle East.

[MEGoody]

But please do carry on under the false assumption that the general public will support the police action indefinitely.

This statement alone shows us the mindset of Ron Paul supporters. And yet, they want us to support Ronnie and put aside the nuttiness of his supporters.

Not gonna happen.