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To: caltrop

“You can always tell when the marching orders are given to a group by the sudden shift in the common language they use to refer to a certain situation. It’s like when Rush Limbaugh compiles montages of several media types from different organizations all using the exact same (and often obscure) term or description for an event. You know there was a memo sent out somewhere.” - JJ Jackson

“Ron Paul gets my vote for a lot of reasons. His belief in ... a strong national defense centered on America’s interests...” - Caltrop.

I’m suprised that you would not notice that ‘centered on America’s interests’ is a phrase commonly used by paleo-conservatives and libertarians to refer to the ‘Jewish lobby that controls our national policy’.

“...the reason our armed forces exist is to defend the US and not wander around the world looking for trouble or maintaining large permanent forces overseas...”

I guess then that you agree with the ‘truthers’ and Ron Paul that we were attacked because of our troops overseas?


56 posted on 08/26/2007 9:24:36 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul was for earmarks before he voted against them.)
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To: DugwayDuke
That's not even a nice try.

I'm not aware that the "Jewish Lobby" you refer to is responsible for our continued massive ground presence in Germany. Please feel free to let me know if I haven't gotten the word.

Ten years after the Berlin Wall came down we still had something like 75,000 ground troops there in addition to their dependents, the schools needed for their children, the medical and dental facilities, the cost of shipping household goods, etc. That's a pretty sizable force to maintain without any mission. The Defense Department could use the funds we spend to maintain our ground forces in Europe if we brought them home - the sooner the better - to defend the US by upgrading US facilities and equipment.

I suspect most of us who knew the War in Iraq was a counterproductive fool's errand from the start recognized that it was only a question of time before our involvement in the region would prompt one of the region's many warring factions to see us as opposing them and extend their war to the US.

My understanding of "truthers" is that they believe that 9/11 was undertaken by the US government - an idea I find ridiculous.

As long as you've asked about Jewish conspiracies could you tell me how I should answer those who ask about the Bergen Record's reporting on the Israelis who were seen cheering and recording the attacks on the WTCs from a rooftop in Jersey City? I'll admit that one stumps me.

68 posted on 08/26/2007 10:02:55 AM PDT by caltrop
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To: DugwayDuke

Are you saying that misguided interventionism won’t anger people in the countries involved?

Are you furthe suggesting that even doing the right things for the right reasons still won’t cause anger and backlash?

If you step between your next door neighbor and his wife as he beats her, do you think that he is going to thank you or will he look for ways to retaliate?

Actions have consequences. Even good actions can bring negative consequences.


70 posted on 08/26/2007 10:12:37 AM PDT by Harvey105
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To: DugwayDuke
I’m suprised that you would not notice that ‘centered on America’s interests’ is a phrase commonly used by paleo-conservatives and libertarians to refer to the ‘Jewish lobby that controls our national policy’.

So anyone that uses such statements could most likely be anti-semitic? That's rich. Unless you accept the role of empire, you hate people. To think that has always been the standard, well except for Democrats who used to always start the wars....What does that say about Junior who called for a 'more humble foreign policy' in his 2000 campaign? That would have been 'centered on America's interests'.

I guess then that you agree with the ‘truthers’ and Ron Paul that we were attacked because of our troops overseas?

So you discount the concept that every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction. Damn Iraqis. They should be thankful we're using our bombs on them...thankful!?!? They should be grateful.

When the police action in Iraq is over and Iraq evolves into a theocracy (if it doesn't fall apart altogether), will your excuse then be that if we stayed just a 'little longer' everything would have been okay as well?

In effect all we're doing is trying to keep together a nation that has only been in existence for 80+ years. And a nation that was created by outside forces. Keep it up. It will work this time...really it will....

72 posted on 08/26/2007 10:29:00 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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