Posted on 08/26/2007 6:30:16 AM PDT by SJackson
Well, it was predictable. The talking points used by supporters of Ron Paul (i.e. Paulbots, Paulites, etc.) have now changed.
You can always tell when the marching orders are given to a group by the sudden shift in the common language they use to refer to a certain situation. Its like when Rush Limbaugh compiles montages of several media types from different organizations all using the exact same (and often obscure) term or description for an event. You know there was a memo sent out somewhere.
Well the same thing has happened among members of the Paul Collective.
Prior to Mr. Pauls propensity for unconstitutional spending becoming widely known, the talking points were that Mr. Paul was the only true Constitutionalist running for President and that anyone who supported the Constitution had to support Mr. Paul based on that. Now that his status as a true believer in the Constitution has been utterly shattered, the new line in almost every email sent to me by a rabid, foaming at the mouth Paulbot is that Mr. Paul is still the man because he is the most Constitutional of all the candidates.
For the Paulbots, trying to defend his use of the Constitution as toilet paper simply has not flown as well as they would have liked. So now they are now trying to convince conservatives and libertarians that the liberaltarian ways of Ron Paul are still best because they are more Constitutional than other candidates. Call me skeptical of that.
I dont see how anyone can say that Mr. Paul is more Constitutional than other candidates when he has violated the Constitution the same as others have. Sure he might have done it for different pet programs that spend federal money on shrimp and trolleys rather than Social Security and Medicare, but it is still a violation of Constitution. This defense is like saying that a man who robs a 7-11 for $50 and gives it to his mother to pay for her hospital bills is less guilty of theft than a man who holds up the bank, takes $1,000,000 and flees to the Bahamas.
A duck is a duck no matter how it quacks. And I reiterate that no true libertarian would defend Ron Pauls actions and those that are simply are showing their own fatal flaws and blind loyalty. However to the credit of some within the Ron Paul camp they are admitting that this is a problem their candidate will need to overcome and correct.
Saying that Paul is more Constitutional than other candidates however puts me in mind of the old George Carlin bit about preheating the oven:
[P]re this, pre that
.. place the turkey in a preheated oven
. its ridiculous
there are only two states an oven can possibly exist in, heated or unheated
. preheated is a meaningless ****ing term!
Maybe Ron Paul is a pre-Constitutionalist? Does he exist in a state of believing in the Constitution while not believing in it just like the preheated oven exists in a mysterious state between being heated and unheated?
Much like the oven, there are only two states in which you can exist with regards to the Constitution; for it or against it. There is no mostly. Yes, you can certainly disagree with parts of it, but you still have to abide by it. Its the law of the land so deal with it.
On a side note, this is about the time in my articles when the Paulbots are rushing to their keyboards to pound out inane emails full of slurs like neo-con and fascist simply because this is too much truth for them to handle. So for all you members of the Paul Collective that havent done so yet, get to typing!
Of course I predicted they would stand by him and defend his indefensible acts in my article The Constitution For Dummies (i.e. Ron Paul Supporters) even though he was not what he or they claimed he was. See, it doesnt matter Ron Paul is the one. He could go on live television and shoot a cute little puppy in the head and the Paulbots would still worship at his feet.
Ive said it before and I will say it again. I like Ron Paul on a lot of issues. However that does not mean I think he is the most qualified candidate to be Commander in Chief of our military and Chief Executive of the United States. I dont think he is strong enough on taking the fight to any enemy that threatens America and Ive known about his unconstitutional funding requests for some time as well as his dubious (at best) libertarianism which has more asterisks than Barry Bonds home run record.
If you want to spend money on studying shrimp then use the amendment process to make such idiotic spending constitutional. Otherwise you are just a hack like any other politician would be who espoused certain beliefs while acting contradictory to them.
Paul supporters like to claim that his requests for spending for a variety of illegitimate reasons were ok, and I am not saying that every single request he made does not or could not pass Constitutional muster. Although most, if not all, are of dubious merit at best I am afraid.
But there is a true libertarian solution Ron Paul could have embraced and hopefully will consider next time he ponders violating the Constitution. That is, if he is serious about being a true Constitutionalist. See, Im also about ideas and solutions, not just complaining which is something Paulbots have also accused me of in order to remove the spotlight from their candidate.
Instead of taking taxpayer dollars and redistributing them to others in the form of unconstitutional spending, what Ron Paul should have done was use an actual power granted to Congress in the Constitution to serve his constituents which is a typical canard Paulbots use to defend his actions. That power? The power of taxation of course.
Congress is unquestionably granted this power. It takes no reading between the lines or mental gymnastics to discover.
So, since Congress has the power to levy taxes and set the rates of such taxes here is what Ron Paul should have done.
First he should have compiled a list of every earmark and the amount of each earmark requested by each of the members of Congress for pet projects in their districts. Then he should have divided each by the number of constituents each member of Congress serves to find out who was getting the most dollars per person. Then he should have taken the maximum amount per person and multiplied it by the number of constituents in his district.
He then should have appended language to the yearly budget requesting this amount of money be set aside in the form of a tax rebate for members of Texass 14th congressional district and to be refunded to those who paid income taxes based on how much they paid. In other words, someone that paid $500 in federal income tax would obviously receive less of a rebate than someone that paid $15,000. To do otherwise would of course violate libertarian principles against wealth redistribution.
After all, if the members of Joe Blows district are entitled to a certain number of tax dollars per person, then so should Mr. Pauls. His office would then issue a check to every resident of the district that qualified, by paying taxes, for this rebate of monies he prevented the federal government from spending on unconstitutional programs and which was over collected. And it does not have to just be limited to income taxes either. He could refund the money to anyone that paid any sort of federal tax such as federal gas taxes, etc. although income taxes would certainly be the easiest to go back and verify and track year to year.
Now, of course no one would be able to get back more money than they paid to the federal government. That would amount to some sort of Welfare program which also be very un-libertarian and we just cannot have that either. So we would have to cap the refund at the maximum dollars in taxes paid by each constituent.
But then again, this solution would actually be constitutional and amount to actually serving ones constituents by upholding the Constitution, returning over collected tax dollars back to them and not lining the pockets of local governments and private industry. And it would be truly libertarian.
What do you say Ron Paul? How about all you Paulbots? Want to be true libertarians in the future?
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I will freely admit that I did a bad, bad thing last week. Well, it wasnt a really bad thing unless you were one of those that fell for it I guess. What did I do that was so bad? I set up the Paulbots. Yes, evil rotten me, I know.
When I wrote Earmarking Our Way to Oblivion I purposefully left out any mention of Ron Paul even though I knew he was just as dirty as all the rest. See, Mr. Pauls own earmark fetish was certainly no real secret to anyone paying attention and with enough desire to dig a little. But the Paulbots were quick to comment about how because of the corruption that earmarks bring and how that they many times violate the Constitutional powers of Congress that this is exactly the reason why we needed Ron Paul.
Not a day goes by that supporters of Ron Paul arent out in droves proclaiming any conservative that does not support their candidate is an evil neo-con, trumpeting how Mr. Paul is a true constitutionalist and is the only man qualified to be President. Well, I guess we now see how accurate their description of their own golden boy really is considering news that has really taken off in the last couple days about his own requests for earmarks.
It is no secret to those of us that are out there everyday taking fire from the Paulbots that when Ron Paul commands them to jump they not only ask how high, but also at what angle, what flavor of Kool Aid Mr. Paul would desire they bring him after they land, how many ice cubes he would like in said drink, what color he would like his house painted, how many gallons of gas he needs them to put in his car, what time he would like his wakeup call for the following morning, how he desires his eggs cooked and whether or not he wants them to polish his fine silver clockwise or counterclockwise. The answer to that last one is that Ron Paul demands they first polish it six times clockwise followed by a single counterclockwise finishing polish. Their loyalty to the illusion of their candidate as a savior of us all and as someone that actually holds the Constitution dear is admirable if not highly misguided and naive.
Now the Wall Street Journal and other sources have what Paulbots are robotically and predictably calling a hit pieces on their candidate. Of course I still question whether or not Ron Paul really can be considered a candidate when he barely cracks one percent in the polls. But that is another topic for another day. Anyway these hit pieces detail how Mr. Paul, supposedly a libertarian, has requested millions of taxpayer dollars for roles not delegated to the federal government by we the people. Hardly a libertarian stance. Hardly hit pieces. Simply the truth.
Oh well uh Ron Paul 2008! Hes still the man! Right Paulbots?
Last week the Paulbots were flooding me with comments about how we needed Ron Paul and about how I was right about the earmark problem. But this week I have particularly loved the responses by these same hacks to these new revelations and that have again flooded into my mailbox on cue since I blogged about Pauls own earmarks on Tuesday. They say things like, Well the money was going to be spent anyway! and, Its ok because he is just serving his constituents like he is supposed to, or boldly proclaim, there is nothing unconstitutional about Pauls earmarks! or my personal favorite, Well, yeah he requested the earmarks but he voted against them!
That last one makes me chuckle. Its a pathetic having your cake and eating it too argument that no true libertarian would embrace. Anyone with half a brain sees through this tactic as nothing but style over substance worthy of the staunchest liberals. Mr. Paul certainly understands that in the current corrupt Washington culture his earmark requests would pass even as he votes against them. He knows all he has to do is attach them to the spending bill in order to reap the benefits. A true libertarian would not even request them in the first place.
But rather than calling for his impeachment for violating the constitution, something I have done time and again for all politicians, regardless of party, that violate the Constitution, the Paulbots rush out to defend the man they have deemed as the one. Truth be damned! He really is a TRUE libertarian! Full ludicrous speed ahead!
It doesnt matter that they were out there in mass decrying earmarks just a week before. It doesnt matter that the Constitution is clear in Article I, Section 8 when it limits the powers of Congress to tax and spend on a concise list of things defined as the general Welfare. It doesnt mater if Ron Paul has requested federal money to deal with issues found nowhere in these federal powers from funding for shrimp to building hospitals to maintaining trolleys. None of that matters because well Ron Paul is da man! Praise the Savior of our Republic! Hallelujah! And how dare I and others take his name in vain!
Blind loyalty is never attractive. And it is often deadly.
The Constitution is simple. It allows for laws and spending on the only a short list of topics which are clearly stated and any libertarian worth their salt knows of James Madisons discussion of this in Federalist 41. The list that is there is the list. Thats it Mr. Paul. Thats it Paulbots. Nothing about shrimp. Nothing about trolleys. Nothing about most of what Pauls earmarks are spending money on. No amount of whining about Ron Paul getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar will change the facts. No amount of hurling slurs like neo-con or fascist or globalist at those that exposed Mr. Paul will make a difference in the truth. Such tactics dont work for liberals and they will not work for you.
Im sorry I entrapped you last week. But it is something you are going to learn from as you progress on in life. Principles are only principles if you are willing to put your money where your mouth is and always watch your own glass house before you cast the first stone.
Its so simple even a Paulbot can understand it. And I call on Ron Paul to be a true libertarian and draw up articles of impeachment against himself, convince his fellow Congressmen to approve the action and finally vote in favor of the action when the time comes to pay the piper.
But he wont. He wont because the fact is there are few true libertarians out here in the real world. We are a lonely bunch for sure. Even though lots of people envision themselves as such, when push comes to show they are at best nothing more than a bastard cousin; the liberaltarian. And that is why we are in trouble.
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James Madison once remarked, with respect to the two words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. In writing that letter to James Robertson, he reiterated the sentiments he shared with the nation in Federalist 41 where he denounced objections by the anti-Federalists to the term general Welfare being included in the Constitution because of its presumption of an unlimited and open ended scope as without color.
The fear of federally elected politicians being able to curry favor with their constituents by bringing home the bacon in the sense of tax dollars was why under the Constitution our government was given only limited powers to tax and spend. The founders knew that what have become known as earmarks would not serve this nation well and would corrupt the intent of limited government.
Why did Madison and the vast majority of Federalists say that the general Welfare clause was limited to the set conditions that followed? So that leaders of our government couldnt buy votes!
Over the years since however we have basically amended the Constitution through court orders and legislation (neither of which are means by which such action can be achieved mind you) to say to heck with all that nonsense! And we see where it is now getting us. General Welfare has come to mean anything and everything some politico in Washington can dream up.
What do we have today? We have Republican Congressmen from Alaska like Senator Ted Stevens and Representative Don Young that are kings of pork barrel spending and who year after year take money home to their state for pet projects such as the affectionately called bridge to nowhere among many, many others.
We have people like Rep. Sam Farr, Democrat, CA who pushed for $25 million to benefit spinach growers to be added to an emergency supplemental spending bill. Must be some spinach emergency we are not aware of!
Then there is House Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson, Democrat, Minnesota who continues to send taxpayer dollars each year to mega-farms and giving 50% of the money for unconstitutional subsidies to just 4% of Americas farmers.
Perhaps we should ask Republican Senator John Thune of South Dakota under what authority of Article I, Section 8 he sought fit to secure over two million dollars in federal loans for the Dakota, Minnesota, and Eastern Railroad because they werent making enough money on their own to pay for improvements and expansions?
Oh, but lets not forget Democrat Senator Robert Byrd who, if the truth be known, has more than his share of buildings in the state of West Virginia named after him because of all the money he has brought back to help build them. Not to mention that he has secured money for such unconstitutional projects like the the Wood Education and Resource Center. $2.7 million of our tax dollars went to that to teach you and I about wood.
Thank God for government! I do not know how I would have learned anything about wood without this great organization! Honestly, the average American probably knows more about wood than anyone at that ridiculous place though. And those that have taken this money are no doubt busy studying the contents of Mr. Byrds head apparently; a perfect specimen of wood.
And while were in West Virginia, lets not forget about Byrds partner in crime, Representative Allan Mollohan, who funneled $250 million dollars to non-profits which he himself set up. Conflict of interest?
Or what about John Murtha? Ah yes, good old John
the man has more money going to his district, which includes Johnstown, PA for defense projects that it is amazing there arent aircraft carriers sitting in Laurel Ridge State Park!
And all the while, the people who these Congressmen represent as well as those of countless others with their hands in the proverbial cookie jar cheer. What great things they are doing for our region! they cry as they fawn over the money. And they empower our elected officials to continue to push for these monies year after year. And year after year we spend more and more on these earmarks at huge cost to the tax payers.
But thats ok right? Because the evil rich pay those taxes. And we know they are not paying their fair share right? And then we wonder why we are paying so much more for the goods and services we buy as these costs are passed on to us.
Meanwhile? These politicians are laughing all the way to the bank. Because they know you will keep voting for them as long as they bring home the pork and train you to salivate on cue. Yes, theyve got us right where they want us.
They are a perfect example of the phenomena...
President Bush was right not to even go near the word "democracy" in Iraq for a long time. He spoke of "freedom"... but I guess he got confident after a year and a half and started with it. Well, if democracy means "being an enemy of America," I guess the neocons support it?
The problem is, Ron Paul is a Reagan Republican (remember, Ron Paul led the Texas Delegation to nominate Ronald Reagan for President)...believing in the individual and not in the government. I know that view is rather passé these days, with even most Republicans wanting a big government Nanny State, but some of us still want the government to shrink, not grow...no matter how nice these "conservative" federal programs sound, etc. Many conservatives forget what it was to be a True Believer in the individual, limited government, and America...the Bush-Clinton-Bush years have squeezed that out of America, I believe.
His comments at Ronald Reagan's passing (Congressional Record, Wed June 9, 2004) are interesting (and I honestly believe, relevant! :-):
Remembering Ronald Reagan
Representative Ron Paul
Mr. Speaker, all Americans mourn the death of President Ronald Reagan, but those of us who had the opportunity to know him are especially saddened. I got to know President Reagan in 1976 when, as a freshman congressman, I was one of only four members of that body to endorse then-Governor Reagans primary challenge to President Gerald Ford. I had the privilege of serving as the leader of President Reagans Texas delegation at the Republican convention of 1976, where Ronald Reagan almost defeated an incumbent president for his partys nomination.
I was one of the millions attracted to Ronald Reagan by his strong support for limited government and the free-market. I felt affinity for a politician who based his conservative philosophy on
a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom
I wish more of todays conservative leaders based their philosophy on a desire for less government and more freedom.
Ronald Reagan was one of the most eloquent exponents of the freedom philosophy in modern American politics. One of his greatest achievements was converting millions of Americans to the freedom philosophy; many he inspired became active in the freedom movement. One of the best examples of President Reagans rhetorical powers was his first major national political address, A Time for Choosing. Delivered in 1964 in support of the Goldwater presidential campaign, this speech launched Ronald Reagans career as both a politician and a leader of the conservative movement. The following excerpt from that speech illustrates the power of Ronald Reagans words and message. Unfortunately, these words are as relevant to our current situation as they were when he delivered them in 1964:
It's time we asked ourselves if we still know the freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers. James Madison said, "We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government."
One of the most direct expressions of Ronald Reagans disdain for big government came during a private conversation I shared with him when flying from the White House to Andrews Air Force Base. As the helicopter passed over the monuments, we looked down and he said, Isnt that beautiful? Its amazing how much terrible stuff comes out of this city when its that beautiful.
This idea - that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power - is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.
You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream - the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.
Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits."
The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government set out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing.
While many associate Ronald Reagan with unbridled militarism, he was a lifelong opponent of the draft. It is hardly surprising that many of the most persuasive and powerful arguments against conscription came from President Reagan. One of my favorite Reagan quotes comes from a 1979 article he wrote for the conservative publication Human Events regarding the draft and related national service proposals:
...it [conscription] rests on the assumption that your kids belong to the state. If we buy that assumption then it is for the state- not for parents, the community, the religious institutions or teachers- to decide who shall have what values and who shall do what work, when, where and how in our society. That assumption isnt a new one. The Nazis thought it was a great idea.
I extend my deepest sympathies to Ronald Reagans family and friends, especially his beloved wife Nancy and his children. I also urge my colleagues and all Americans to honor Ronald Reagan by dedicating themselves to the principles of limited government and individual liberty.
President Bush was right not to even go near the word "democracy" in Iraq for a long time. He spoke of "freedom"... but I guess he got confident after a year and a half and started with it. Well, if democracy means "being an enemy of America," I guess the neocons support it?
apologies for double-post
A nice article Gondring, many of the Paul bashers like to gloss over the fact that Reagen and Paul were on good terms personally.
The reason for that, to be blunt, is they have been co-opted by NeoCons, I do hope they realize that the wilder their accusations become, the more soldily they implant the delusion of Big Government Conservativism into their postions and indeed, attacks on Candidate Paul.
Small Government means just that, as does the desire to see the Nanny State out of our wallets, bedrooms, businesses and schools, if that is passe’ for the haters, then I truly pity them, they have earned that pity.
A nice article Gondring, many of the Paul bashers like to gloss over the fact that Reagen and Paul were on good terms personally.
The reason for that, to be blunt, is they have been co-opted by NeoCons, I do hope they realize that the wilder their accusations become, the more soldily they implant the delusion of Big Government Conservativism into their postions and indeed, attacks on Candidate Paul.
Small Government means just that, as does the desire to see the Nanny State out of our wallets, bedrooms, businesses and schools, if that is passe’ for the haters, then I truly pity them, they have earned that pity.
I am amazed at how many "conservatives" like to talk "small government" but then support the Nanny State.
“I am amazed at how many “conservatives” like to talk “small government” but then support the Nanny State.”
And here is the thing of that, by attacking Ron Paul, they fail to bring heat to bare on the other candidates, rather then the other candidates being encouraged to by more Conservaitve, they are actually doing the opposite, the Rudy’s of the world don’t have to answer Conservative Questions because these folks are too busy attacking Paul.
That will guarantee even more “Republican Lite” behaviour from our front running candidates.
“Gee, the federal govt really shouldn’t be funding no child left behind...”
Becomes “Ron Paul is a moonbat....”
Perhaps, but please do explain why we are spending tens of billions of our hard earned money on crappy schools?
For all of the moaning over the shrimp earmark, that isn’t .0000009 of a percent of the money being spent in the “No Child Left Behind” program.
“What an a-hole.’
That is my impression, too. The author personifies spit-flecked hatred. Come to think of it, he belongs here. LOL
gcruse >That is my impression, too. The author personifies spit-flecked hatred. [...]
I skipped to the bottom, and what do I find?
What do you say Ron Paul? How about all you Paulbots?followed by...
Comments are closed.LOL!
Another funny thing... The About page claims: "[J.J. Jackson's] writings are generally what are considered conservative or libertarian in nature and while Mr. Jackson accepts the term conservative as a label he prefers to be known as a libertarian or a constitutionalist."
Hmmm... Although much of what is on his site I agree with (and I'm glad he likes Ron Paul on many things), it seems he has not taken the time to become educated on this topic--his proposed solution is ridiculously anti-libertarian/conservative, and he obviously doesn't note that Rep. Paul isn't into handing out pork--the projects he "supported" seem to be more Federal (i.e., appropriate Congressional expenditures) in nature than typical pork.
SJackson, if you are related to Jeff Jackson or have some direct line to him, would you please pass along these comments, since I'm too dumb to figure out how to send him the comments that he claims to receive. Thanks! :-)
Maybe his next column will explain how he missed the facts on the earmarking.
America heard what they heard and no spin will change that.
Anyone interested in your claim can check out this!
Oh, and I hope you don't mind me publishing the transcript of your discussion with Ron Paul regarding WWII... ;-)
italianquaker> Why did Italy and Germany declare war on the USA on December 11, 1941?I think I got that transcribed right. It seems perfectly in line with your [lack of] reasoning elsewhere.
Ron Paul> The USA declared war on Japan after being attacked at Pearl Harbor, and even though the USA hadn't attacked Germany or Italy, they declared war on the USA as a result of our declaration of war against Japan.
italianquaker> RON PAUL BLAMES THE US FOR WAR WITH GERMANY AND ITALY!
Then why do you keep trying to spin it into something he didn't say?
My last post to you but not on pauls blaming America, have a pleasant day
Haha! Stopped right there. Hard to tell the antiPaulies from the Democrats anymore. What a bunch of loons.
And just exactly where is spreading 'freedom' in the Constitution of these United States? Bush Junior's first mistake was continuing the failed action of Bush I. Bush Junior's second mistake was continuing the ridiculous occupation when it was confirmed there were no WMDs. It's just gone downhill from there...
Well, if democracy means "being an enemy of America," I guess the neocons support it?
Only if they elect people 'we' like. If they don't then of course 'democracy' has failed and we need some more purple fingers with the 'right' outcome...see how fun running an empire that shall not be called an empire is?
Too bad you didn't read the thread responses that debunk the article.
But I guess it's just better to spout anti-Paul platitudes.
It’s really amazing.
So many are so threatened by Dr. Paul’s campaign........
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