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Harry Potter Fanatics Lash Out at Pope, Michael O'Brien, LifeSiteNews Over Criticism of Novels
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | August 23, 2007 | John-Henry Westen Editor and Steve Jalsevac

Posted on 08/25/2007 10:00:49 PM PDT by monomaniac

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1 posted on 08/25/2007 10:00:55 PM PDT by monomaniac
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To: monomaniac

Maybe its just too late at night, but Harry Potter seems to be an accessory after the fact for most of these people.


2 posted on 08/25/2007 10:12:09 PM PDT by oakcon
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To: monomaniac

Yep. The truth hurts and creates resentment when it is spoken.


3 posted on 08/25/2007 10:15:41 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: monomaniac
Hopefully, the wing-nuts on both sides will be so busy with each other, they'll stop bothering those of us that just wish to read entertaining fantasy/fiction.

You see, it's just a book, meant to entertain.
Fiction.
Fantasy.
Nothing more nor less than that, no agenda.

Write a popular novel, make money.
What could be more basic than that?

4 posted on 08/25/2007 10:17:18 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: monomaniac
Mr. O’Brien was basted and roasted nicely on a previous FR thread. About the worst epithet was “narrow-minded”.

A few agreed with O’Brien’s position, which is ok. But I don’t think we got into calling anybody a Nazi.

5 posted on 08/25/2007 10:22:15 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: monomaniac
We just report alternative news that mainstream media refuse to report or distort.

The truth is now "alternative news."

Reality is now an "alternative lifestyle," I suppose, and the billions that are Catholic are, I guess we can conclude, a "fringe."

Goebbels would be jealous.

6 posted on 08/26/2007 12:18:57 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.)
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To: Drammach
What could be more basic than that?

Only a stubborn insistance that anything could be so simple.

Recall the term, "Garbage in, Garbage out."

7 posted on 08/26/2007 12:22:59 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.)
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To: monomaniac
The author, North America's foremost Potter critic, has written many articles that analyze in detail the Harry Potter novels. Here he reflects on the significance of the series as a whole.

Shades of Salman Rushdie.

8 posted on 08/26/2007 12:24:34 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.)
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To: the invisib1e hand; All
as always, someone says it better (and Mr. O'Brien is a surpassingly gifted writer):

By the same token we should ask ourselves why we continue to imbibe large doses of poison in our cultural consumption, as if this were reasonable and normal living, as if the presence of a few vegetables floating in a bowl of arsenic soup justifies the long-range negative effects of our diet.

9 posted on 08/26/2007 12:31:46 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.)
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Sorry, somehow I just don’t find that there’s going to be any divine inspiration to call anything that promotes personal literacy as much as the Harry Potter series has done. My daughter grew up reading each and every novel, and stood in line each midnight (or waited at home eagerly for me to return from doing it when she was younger), and sat and read the books cover to cover.

That LifeSiteNews gets reaction to their articles is understandable. After all, I think you’d be hard pressed to find a more read series on the planet outside of religious texts. And personally, I find the series to be an inspiration story of good fighting against evil, of the dangers of betrayal, of the power of love.

But some can see nothing beyond the fact that there are witches mentioned, and people point wands.

The reason why these articles don’t reach much traction in the press is that they read like crackpot extremist articles that is for the most exclusive of audiences. The biggest humor, of course, is that they’re most widely distributed on the same medium that distributes more pornography than any other.

So, yes, the Pope can tsk all he wants at the series. What of it? I believe that Pope Benedict is a religious authority to top all authorities, but I don’t ask his opinion as to which website, novel or newspaper to read. If I picked out choice passages on this website, I’m sure I could convince anyone to believe it is something to imperil someone’s soul.

10 posted on 08/26/2007 12:35:31 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: Drammach

“Nothing more nor less than that, no agenda.”


Everything has an agenda in a child’s mind. You can read Mother Goose to a 5 ear-old, and he/she will be full of “Why?” “Why did the mouse . . .?” “What will happen to the pig who went over the brideg?”


11 posted on 08/26/2007 12:46:25 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
in this realm, such logic is of no currency; truth is as true as one wills it to be.

This article by O'Brien is gratifying and well written satisfaction to all of us who the potter fad somehow failed to intoxicate.

12 posted on 08/26/2007 12:55:16 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.)
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To: kingu

an awfully considered-sounding opinion. did you perchance read Mr. O’Brien’s critique?


13 posted on 08/26/2007 12:56:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.)
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Deut 18:9 9 When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one  who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell,  or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and  abecause of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. 13  aYou shall be  blameless before the Lord your God. 14 For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do so. 2 Timothy 4:3 3 For  the time will come when they will not endure  sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and  awill turn away their ears from the truth and  will turn aside to myths. harry potter's parallels w the occult: http://crossroad.to/ask-peter/hp-overview-1.htm
14 posted on 08/26/2007 1:17:53 AM PDT by Psalm_2 (1776 - !?? Dec. 7th 1941. Sept. 11th 2001. Self Defense, A Basic Human Right.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Indeed, I did, read it a second time just now. Long, drawn out drama inspired missive to show his intellectual superiority of an issue that of course everyone else happened to miss. And indeed, if this series of books was read in the total and absolute absence of anything else, his near novella would be indeed absolutely true.

Unfortunately, I happen to be one of those grossly misinformed parents that doesn’t let an educational opportunity pass, and instead of trying to ostracize the messenger, use it to craft the type of intellectual thought that such authors as Mr. O’Brien absolutely abhor; those who can actually ask rational questions of their children, and elicit rational responses.

My child does not believe she can take a stick, wave it around, and cause magic to happen. My child has stated, time and time again, many things she would do different were she the protagonist in the story, especially that silly mushy stuff.

And she’s absolutely mystified by such attacks - it’s like making an in depth critique of the Flinstones, pointing out the obvious that there weren’t any dinosaurs when people were about.

I add salt to my meals; salt alone would be bad, even deadly in horribly large quantities. There is any manner of research to tell me all about how bad salt is. Problem is, salt makes a lot of food taste better, and is a needed mineral in the operation of my body.

15 posted on 08/26/2007 1:35:17 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: monomaniac

> Harry Potter Fanatics Lash Out at Pope, Michael O’Brien, LifeSiteNews Over Criticism of Novels

Umm... they have *so much time* on their hands that they can afford to get their knickers-in-a-twist about a fictional character like Harry Potter?

Crikey. They live a sheltered life.

Just wait until they get hooked into “Alice in Wonderland/Thru the Looking Glass” — that experience will seem like the Ultimate Wedgie by comparison!

And when they eventually graduate to “Mary Poppins”, *that* will be like a Full-on Gynch-Pull...

And if a Full-on Gynch-Pull doesn’t cure ‘em, the mind boggles what will happen when they encounter Douglas Adams and “The Hitch-Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”...!

Just to be on the safe side, I’ll order extra bandages and pennicilin now, in case there is a run on supplies. Y2K taught me valuable lessons about being Prepared, ay!


16 posted on 08/26/2007 1:43:01 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: kingu
Long, drawn out drama inspired missive to show his intellectual superiority of an issue that of course everyone else happened to miss.

That sound like a description of other posts on this thread, too. ;)

17 posted on 08/26/2007 1:44:00 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: Psalm_2

Thank you Psalm _2! Just What I was going to Post!


18 posted on 08/26/2007 1:49:27 AM PDT by tajgirvan (38 days Hebrews 13:3 Remember the Prisoner's as if chained with them)
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To: Psalm_2
Our children, seven in number, have all been avid readers. They see all the Harry Potter hoopla, but have never asked for a Harry Potter book, and don’t want one. How is it that our children don’t go along with these fads?

I know that you know, Psalm_2, that children can be raised and trained in such a way as to ignore the fads of our times, fads like Harry Potter. Some parents are foolish enough to think that a child should never be told, “No!” But it is better to raise a Child from infancy on a structure of principle that minimizes (to nearly nill) the times you have to say “No” to child over 6 years old. Yes, it is possible for children 6 years and younger to detect serious flaws in morals and character.

Young children can understand the spiritual content in Harry Potter books and films - - it is an unclean spirit; devilish. We don’t expect the un-Christian world to try even one time to discern the difference between the spiritually clean and the unclean. We have a serious problem with professing Christians who will say that there is nothing satanic in Harry Potter, and can’t say “No” to their children. Deuteronomy 18:9-14 9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. 13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. 14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. 2 Timothy 4:3, 4 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Yes, 2 Timothy 4:3, 4 is good to know just in case you meet pastors who think that Harry Potter is just fine, along with ... 2Corinthians 11:13-15 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

19 posted on 08/26/2007 1:59:23 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Guilty as charged. ;)


20 posted on 08/26/2007 2:08:45 AM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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