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Remains of last Russian czar's heir may have been found
International Herald Tribune ^ | August 23, 2007

Posted on 08/24/2007 9:05:53 AM PDT by 3AngelaD

MOSCOW: Prosecutors announced Friday that they have reopened an investigation into the circumstances surrounding the deaths of the last Russian czar and his family nearly 90 years ago after an archaeologist said the remains of the czar's son and heir to the throne at last may have been found.

The announcement of the reopened investigation, while a routine matter, signaled that government may be taking the claims — announced Thursday by Yekaterinburg researcher Sergei Pogorelov — seriously.

In comments broadcast on NTV, Pogorelov said bones found in a burned area of ground near Yekaterinburg belong to a boy and a young woman roughly the ages of Czar Nicholas II's 13-year-old son, Alexei, and a daughter whose remains also never have been found.

Yekaterinburg is the Urals Mountain city where the czar, his wife and children were held prisoner and then shot in 1918. If confirmed, the find would solve a persistent mystery and fill in a missing chapter in the story of the doomed family, victims of the violent 1917 Bolshevik Revolution that ushered in more than 70 years of communist rule.

The find comes almost a decade after remains identified as those of Nicholas, his wife and three of their daughters were reburied in a ceremony in the imperial-era capital of St. Petersburg. The ceremony, however, was shadowed by statements of doubt — including from within the Russian Orthodox Church — about their authenticity.

On Friday, a church official voiced what appeared to skepticism about the find...

The spot where the remains were found appears to correspond to a site described in writing by Yakov Yurovsky, the leader of the family's killers, said Pogorelov, an archaeologist at a regional center for the preservation of historical and cultural monuments in Yekaterinburg...

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: czarnicholas; czarnicholasii; genealogy; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; princealexei; romanovs; royals; russia; tr
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1 posted on 08/24/2007 9:05:53 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: 3AngelaD

No accident. Look to Putin to take the holy relics on tour.


2 posted on 08/24/2007 9:22:41 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: sinanju

Fine with me as long as he keeps his shirt on while touring.


3 posted on 08/24/2007 9:24:24 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: 3AngelaD

Putin is just disappointed that it was not him that had the entire family executed.


4 posted on 08/24/2007 9:32:34 AM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism now.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Hm, clone the DNA and re-install the Czar, that would torque the bolsheviks huh


5 posted on 08/24/2007 9:34:39 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: 3AngelaD

Now watch Putin have a DNA test done, and then a wonderful thing will happen! They will find that he (Putin) is related to the Czar’s and declare himself the rightful heir to the Czars throne and then claim it for himself Czarist russia will be back!!!! I oughta write a book


6 posted on 08/24/2007 9:41:35 AM PDT by Texas Patriot (Remember.... The Alamo, never forget HOORAHH!!!!!)
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To: 3AngelaD; All

I need memory help here, so please jump in.

Was the Czar’s wife Queen Victoria’s daughter or was it a granddaughter?

Does the ex czar have direct descendants today?

If not, then nutty Charles is the direct descendant to the Russian throne. If so, put a bow on him and gift him to the Russians.


7 posted on 08/24/2007 10:21:43 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Granddaughter. There was a Romanov living in France, but I can’t quite remember if he died childless (?) or not.


8 posted on 08/24/2007 10:24:52 AM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: 3AngelaD; All

Now that I’m thinking about it, it could not have been a daughter because of the years. It must have been a granddaughter since Victoria died in 1903 or about.

Help please.


9 posted on 08/24/2007 10:29:18 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Granddaughter of Victoria. The Czarina was the daughter of Princess Alice and the Duke of Hesse. No direct descendants left. Nutty Charles is not directly related to the Romanovs. His father is related to them through his mother, who was a grandaughter of Princess Alice and through his father, who was a descendant of the Danish, Romanov and British royal families. They are all dangerously inbred! But I agree with Charles’ views on architecture. They used Prince Philip’s blood to do the DNA test on the bodies found in the 90s.


10 posted on 08/24/2007 10:43:13 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: CremeSaver

Kiril, who did leave descendants.


11 posted on 08/24/2007 10:44:07 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: CremeSaver

Thank you so much.

I saw my mistake about the age discrepancy too late after I posted. I remember Victoria died around the time the Panama Canal began to be dug by the U.S. (1903)

“There was a Romanov living in France, but I can’t quite remember if he died childless (?) or not.”

Extremely interesting. I did not know that. I’ll need to dig.

Never the less, Charles needs to go over there and stay.

I was delighted by your information.

Thank you.


12 posted on 08/24/2007 10:44:54 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

For what it’s worth:

Line of succession to the Russian throne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_Russian_throne


13 posted on 08/24/2007 10:51:29 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: 3AngelaD

Crumbs. Consider me your number one fan. I am totally agog. Really!

I have been taken a little by surprise in that Philip gave a sample of his blood for DNA. He was unselfish to donate to history to solve part of the puzzle. I will always be grateful to him for that.

Thank you.


14 posted on 08/24/2007 11:01:41 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: PAR35

Thank you so much. I really appreciate your post. I will study it with great care.

Again, thank you. It is so interesting.

As crazy as it sounds, I wonder if any of these offsprings have suffered from hemophilia


15 posted on 08/24/2007 11:14:26 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

I was going to cut and paste if it had been a short answer, but the debate as to who is first in line gets rather involved. I recommend reading the whole thing.

Now the claim to the French throne is a real mess. Bourbon, Orleans and Napoleonic contenders.

Nice little chart of the various vacant thrones here. And lest monarchists lose heart, many of us are old enough to remember when the Spanish throne was vacant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretender
Interesting note - the same guy has claims to both Scotland and Barvaria.


16 posted on 08/24/2007 11:34:29 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Hemophilia is only passed through the mother, so only the female descendants of Queen Victoria, descended through her female offspring, could pass on hemophilia. The King of Spain’s father and uncles were good candidates, because their mother was a Victoria granddaughter, the daughter of Princess Beatriz, but none of them inherited it.


17 posted on 08/24/2007 12:20:07 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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But my favorite possible pretender {he has never pretended}is Ernst August of Hannover, Princess Caroline’s husband, because he is just SO ... Hanoverian. He is a direct descendant of George III and exhibits many of the “oddities” of earlier Hanoverians.


18 posted on 08/24/2007 12:24:53 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Texas Patriot
Now watch Putin have a DNA test done, and then a wonderful thing will happen! They will find that he (Putin) is related to the Czar’s and declare himself the rightful heir to the Czars throne and then claim it for himself Czarist russia will be back!!!!

Bingo .... and then he will be coronated by a loyal Orthodox Patriarch he probably has in his back pocket using the crown jewels he had duplicated a while back.

19 posted on 08/24/2007 1:23:57 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (“Jesus Saves. Moses Delivers. Cthulu Reposesses...”)
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To: TR Jeffersonian

ping


20 posted on 08/24/2007 1:48:54 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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