Posted on 08/22/2007 7:13:57 AM PDT by ckilmer
Bush denies superstate rumours
August 22, 2007
By Jon Ward - MONTEBELLO, Quebec — President Bush and the leaders of Canada and Mexico yesterday ridiculed the notion that their countries are conspiring to create a regional supergovernment similar to the European Union.
"I'm amused by the difference between what actually takes place in the meetings and by what some are trying to say takes place," said Mr. Bush, responding to concerns raised by conservative and liberal groups and some U.S. lawmakers.
"It's quite comical actually, to realize the difference between reality and what some people on TV are talking about."
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper joked that a superhighway rumored to be in the works linking the three countries could also be "interplanetary."
The two leaders and Mexican President Felipe Calderon spoke at a press conference here in a countryside resort, halfway between Ottawa and Montreal, to cap two days of meetings.
Mr. Bush said it is important for the U.S. to work with Canada and Mexico on facilitating trade while securing their borders, under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP), a series of negotiations started in 2005.
Mr. Bush said the charges of a plot to form a North American Union were "political scare tactics."
"You lay out a conspiracy and then force some people to try to prove it doesn't exist. That's just the way some people operate," Mr. Bush said.
Mr. Harper said the trade talks were far more mundane than many realize, citing a morning meeting with business leaders at which one CEO complained that "the rules for jelly bean contents are different in Canada and the United States."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
It certainly freaked-out Corsi into implying that international trade was responsible for the Minneapolis bridge collapse.
Yes, it is lazy to argue “incrementalism” while ignoring whether an agreement to address, for example, Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy between the three nations is a bad or good thing.
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except that more americans are murdered by illegals every year than could ever be harmed by Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy. never mind the number of americans killed on the highways by illegals.
And changing the subject is not a result of laziness, but of sophistry.
It certainly freaked-out Corsi into implying that international trade was responsible for the Minneapolis bridge collapse.
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You have something that’s personal about Corsi that’s a mystery to everyone.
Current federal government policies suggest that the feds want to cede more control of the US highway system to private companies—often foreign companies— while continuing to tax americans to maintain those highways.
add it up. foreign companies allowed to control american highways traveled by trucks from foreign countries—while the US government continues to tax americans for the maintenance of the border and the highway system.
No mystery at all, I've told everyone who asks. Corsi is a demagogue who is in the business of selling books. He laughs all the way to the bank about the people who fall for his BS.
LLS
“No, what Bush proposed in 2004 is exactly what he proposed in 2007. The SFgate article is not a direct quote of what he said during the debate, it’s a rehash, a generalization.
I specifically remember hearing that debate, and hearing Bush say he’d offer “temporary worker cards” to those here illegally, AND, an eventual “path TO citizenship”, not “automatic citizenship”. That’s how Bush parsed the meaning of “amnesty” THEN, and that’s how he tried to in 2007. “
So, you’re asking the readers to ignore what the SFGate wrote the day after the debate, rehasing Bush’s remark, but rather to rely on your specific memory here almost three years later?
Yeah, you definitely win the dispute, lol.
I specifically remember Bush opposing amnesty in more than one debate, and the the SFGate summary the day after agrees with my recollection. I’d say he deliberately obfuscated and danced around the amnesty question. You don’t want to call that lying, but to me it is. He deliberately deceived rather than lay out what he really wanted, and eventually tried to force down our throats.
Lying to me. You call it what you will.
My other post to you covers this also.
LLS
And changing the subject is not a result of laziness, but of sophistry.
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Of course you’re right. Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy is a mouthful. But wait. Wasn’t it you who brought up Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy. I could not spell that mess if I tried. I have to copy and paste it every time. But I trust that you are so good you didn’t do the same thing. You had Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy right on the tip of your tongue.
Seriously man, you need to serve your country.
Look I didn’t deny Bush SAID he didn’t want amnesty, I’ve only said that he said exactly what he’s said all along: That HIS plan is NOT “amnesty”.
Of course it IS amnesty, but that’s not the point. And the SFgate article proves half of my recollection, that Bush wanted to offer “temporary worker cards” to those here illegally. Why is it such a stretch to believe that he ALSO said that he wanted a “path TO citizenship” not just “automatic citizenship” like Kerry wanted?
I don’t care if you do believe me actually. You haven’t shown ME any reason to believe YOU, and remember, it was YOU who posted to ME first, not the other way around.
There's a point where we're going to have to give that doom'n'gloom bit a rest, no matter how familiar it's gotten. This IBD editorial might help. My favorite part was the way it started out:
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"Thanks to stepped-up U.S. enforcement, being an illegal immigrant is becoming less and less attractive. But powerful forces inside Mexico are also enticing Mexicans to stay home. Rule of law is one. It may just be the most dramatic story of the year. The U.S. Border Patrol announced a stunning 38% drop in illegal immigrant apprehensions in the fiscal year from October through June. On the Mexican side, the Associated Press reports that migrant shelters are full, but the emigrants are heading south. In the U.S., towns full of newer illegal immigrants, like Carpentersville, Ill., now report them emptying out. In harder numbers, migrant remittances are down. Mexico's central bank reported incoming remittances rose only 0.6% in the first half of 2007, compared with a 23% rise in the first half of last year." |
Sure, I will:
foreign companies allowed to control american highways traveled by trucks from foreign countries—-
=xenophobe, or statist, take your pickwhile the US government continues to tax americans for the maintenance of the border and the highway system;
=fiscal conservative(its helpful to recall the “world citizens” concluded two decades ago that the proper way to go about world government was to start by creating super states and then later blocking them together.);
=lazynever mind the number of americans killed on the highways by illegals.
=sophist
NAICS 31-33: Manufacturing
The manufacturing sector consists of establishments engaged in the mechanical, physical, or chemical transformation of materials, substances, or components into new products.
Counts from the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages program show that the manufacturing sector employs many workers, but in a relatively small number of establishments.
About 61 percent of workers in the goods-producing sectors (which includes natural resources and mining, and construction) are manufacturing employees, yet manufacturing establishments account about 27 percent of goods-producing establishments.
In the economy as a whole, manufacturing represents about 10.8 percent of all employment, yet less than 5 percent of all establishments.
Current Employment Statistics estimates show annual average employment in manufacturing above 17 million until the year 2000, before declining. During 2006, manufacturing employment averaged 14,197,000.
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http://www.bls.gov/iag/manufacturing.htm
Those immigrants could then apply for permanent residency, although those in the temporary worker program would get no preference over other "Green Card" applicants, the officials said.
It was YOU who didn't listen carefully, not me, "FRiend".
I know. Thanks.
Perhaps you forgot that my argument revolves around the fact that it’s easier to claim “incrementalism” than bother with specifics such as BSE.
“No mystery at all, I’ve told everyone who asks. Corsi is a demagogue who is in the business of selling books. He laughs all the way to the bank about the people who fall for his BS.”
Wow. How do you know him?
“My table represents more than the table you showed”
Your table presents totals, and totals tell nothing about how many of a thing were added and subtracted to arrive at the change from one year to the next.
I don’t have to present a table. Anyone vaguely familiar with US/Mexico trade knows a few million jobs have gone south, and a $900,000,000 trade surplus pre-NAFTA now runs at a deficit of about $6 billion per month, or $70 - 80 billion per year.
http://www.buildingteamforecast.com/article/CA6468552.html
Almost all of that deficit is US products now being produced in Mexico that were once produced in the US.
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