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Al-Maliki Lashes Out (Maliki to U.S."we can find friends elsewhere")
The New York Sun ^ | 08/22/07 | QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA

Posted on 08/22/2007 6:50:32 AM PDT by SE Mom

"No one has the right to place timetables on the Iraq government. It was elected by its people," he said at a news conference in Damascus at the end of a three-day visit to Syria.

"Those who make such statements are bothered by our visit to Syria. We will pay no attention. We care for our people and our constitution and can find friends elsewhere," Mr. al-Maliki said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: dooltotheend

Not disputing most of your comment, but matter of factly Maliki has recently visited the now secured areas of Anbar and Diyala province (where most of the Sunni insurgency is/was taking place).


41 posted on 08/22/2007 7:15:01 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: Dr. Frank fan
I actually agree with him. The whole notion of "timetables" is stupid and reeks of bureaucrat-think. The process of stabilizing and governing a violent country in the wake of a power vacuum is not something you can plot out in "timetables" or as some big Microsoft Project file.

If he wants continued U.S. military support (i.e. my Soldiers, me, and 150,000 others like us), then he had damn well better put up with a few metrics from us. We have dumped almost 4,000 lives, over 20,000 or so wounded, and neary hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars into this dump, and he thinks he has the right to say, "No one can tell me what to do! No one can hold me accountable!" Bullsh*t.

Every time I hear some manicured Washington DC politician or bureaucrat spout off about "timetables" or "benchmarks" I want to p*ke.

Really? Does it make you sick enough to join up and help us out over here?

43 posted on 08/22/2007 7:16:08 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (You think it's so easy? Come on over and try it...)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Which is not to say that you shouldn't plan, and that planning includes goals and objective criteria that you intend to meet. Just that no battle plan ever survived contact with the enemy. Stabilizing Iraq in the face of Syrian, Iranian, Democrat Party and other inspired guerilla warfare and terrorism is definitely a battle plan.

Exactly. Actually I'd go farther and say it's far more complex than simple "battle" (which can usually be understood at least on a geographic level, and objective criteria are usually obvious). Here it's not obvious what objective criteria might be, or even if any exist, nor is the lay of the battlefield all that observable. This makes any/all "plans" orders of magnitude more likely to be DOA.

IMHO we need to stop constantly griping about "the Iraqis" and either commit to the military presence, and make the best of it ourselves (applying "benchmarks" and "timetables" to our own actions, if we really must), or not. This constant hinting at somehow linking the ongoing presence/commitment to Iraq's government meeting this or that "benchmark" is just a waste for all concerned. As we are seeing, trying to constantly apply "benchmarks" to a guy who is already viewed as our puppet, and thus walking a very tricky (and dangerous) tightrope, can only backfire and force him into the arms of our enemy.

44 posted on 08/22/2007 7:16:23 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

“3-day unshaven face was more of a message to the Arab world”

Propaganda is propaganda. Funny snip there (lol)


45 posted on 08/22/2007 7:16:48 AM PDT by jedward
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To: SE Mom

Actually his statement is not implying anything about the US.

The implication is he is trying to deny that he doesn’t give a crap about Iraq or its constitution, and if anyone points out the truth, well, Iraq could find “friends” in Iran or Syria.


46 posted on 08/22/2007 7:17:39 AM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: SE Mom

That would just about do it do me....I would be out of there. He’s not our friend he. is Iran’s friend.


47 posted on 08/22/2007 7:17:41 AM PDT by Banjoguy (The stench that surrounds us, emanates from Washington, D.C.)
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To: SE Mom
"Al-Maliki blamed the American presidential campaign for the recent tough words from the Bush administration and from other American politicians.

This is an "AP" (Always Phoney) story again folks, you can't read it too seriously. Where is the actual Maliki quote blaming Bush?

In the absence of a quote, I am going to assume this is just the babble of an anti-Bush AP writer.

48 posted on 08/22/2007 7:18:07 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: tobyhill
it’s not for our own impotent congress to be placing timetables on another countries government which has actually produced more legislation than our own in the past 8 months

Bingo.

49 posted on 08/22/2007 7:18:50 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: SE Mom

Regarding giving the Iraqis democracy, it’s an example of be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.


50 posted on 08/22/2007 7:18:51 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

I actually agree with him.>>>>

Mee too! I can’t stand what these a-wipes are saying, that we had no right to force regime change, yet, when it suits them, REGIME CHANGE!


51 posted on 08/22/2007 7:19:12 AM PDT by SaintDismas (.)
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To: pacelvi

Ayad Allawi was the first transitional PM.
He wasn’t elected but placed by us into his position.
His main problem is that although he is a Shia, he was a Baathist. Most Shias can’t have that.

Ibrahim Jafaari was was the first elected interim PM.
Generally said to be the worst of the three. However he oversaw the writing and ratification of the Constitution.

Nuri al-Maliki is the third PM, the second elected PM, and the first PM to serve a full term (if he isn’t replaced, which is likely).


52 posted on 08/22/2007 7:19:43 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: SE Mom

What...is he thinking?

Oh, I don’t know, cutting off his hand to spite his face; stabbing his friends in the back; burning his bridges?


53 posted on 08/22/2007 7:20:37 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: dooltotheend
It would be interesting to know if this poor excuse of a leader ever gets up enough courage to leave the Green Zone in Baghdad and visit the people he claims to love.

Well, it would be a short flight from the Green Zone to Sadr City...

54 posted on 08/22/2007 7:21:26 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (You think it's so easy? Come on over and try it...)
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To: Jim Noble

‘Course Syria is in a defacto alliance with Iran, so Maliki’s move to cozy up with the Syrians is bound to make a few here & in Israel nervous.


55 posted on 08/22/2007 7:21:31 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

If you read what he said, it clearly indicated he was speaking to those that objected to his going to Syria, Iraq’s neighbor.

He was pointedly telling THOSE objectors that Iraq can find friends elsewhere.

Just waiting to complain, aren’t you? I thought you liberals WANTED dialogue with Syria, Iran, and Iraq’s neighbors?


56 posted on 08/22/2007 7:22:40 AM PDT by WBL 1952
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To: LZ_Bayonet

“This is an “AP” (Always Phoney) story again folks, you can’t read it too seriously.”

I took it as serious as the last time he said the US wasn’t going to put timetables on him. Anyone watching this situtation closely for several years knows how much trouble Maliki has caused us (the US) with our efforts in Iraq.


57 posted on 08/22/2007 7:23:14 AM PDT by jedward
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To: reagan_fanatic
Hate to say it, but Iraq will never be stabilized until another brutal, ruthless dictator takes it over and suppresses all opposition.

This guy is available.


58 posted on 08/22/2007 7:23:23 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: SE Mom
LOLOLOL!!!!! He's thinking he's the leader of a sovereign nation. Of course he should realize he's not the leader of a sovereign nation and that purple fingers only work as long as Iraqi leaders do what the administration wants them to do. Unfortunately this isn't how it works. Conservatives told you this 5 years ago. But was anybody listening? Nooooooo, we had invisible WMDs to get.

..”Those who make such statements are bothered by our visit to Syria. We will pay no attention. We care for our people and our constitution and can find friends elsewhere,” Mr. al-Maliki said. -That strikes me as completely over the top. The implication is that the US does not care for Iraq or it’s constitution.

No the implication is that those that were helped into power had just as much opinion of US views as the previous leader there. Congratulations, we've done all the work for a coup and the other guys didn't have to lift a finger

59 posted on 08/22/2007 7:23:51 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: SE Mom
I would like to know who his "audience" was for this comment. Was it a "nationalistic" comment for the Iraqi people? I.E. would the Sunni say: "Hey Levin, Maliki is an SOB, but he's an Iraqi SOB, so buzz off.

Maybe Levin was trying to incite Iraqi nationalism.

60 posted on 08/22/2007 7:23:53 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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