Why the GOP should welcome gays into the party

northjersey.com ^ | STEVE LONEGAN

[murdoog]

That said; I don’t dislike ‘flaming gays’ any where near as much as I dislike ‘Flaming Liberals’.

How do you 'feel' about 'excessive' use of 'quotation marks'?

[gondramB]

>> Richard Nixon was the last conservative president.

Obviously, I’m not a Reagan worshiper.<<

interesting... I think of Nixon as not very conservative, certainly not compared to President Reagan.

[Caipirabob]

Not every "protected" minority group is a result of birth. Religion is a very personal decision -- no one is born a Christian, etc. Yet we don't discriminate against people of minority religions, nor do we consider them to have special rights.A Buddhist may not be going to heaven, yet we don't kick them out of the party for their moral choices.

Blacks and other minorities don't have protected because they were "born" that way. They have protected status because they were systematically discriminated against because they were "born" that way.

Valid points of contention. I'd submit that yes, that blacks were systematically discriminated against, however, the reason that they were discriminated against was for the color of their skin, which they cannot help. They were born with it. It wasn't a matter of behavior for which they were condemned, lest we consider "Breathing while black" an offense (which is pretty much what some people did do...)

And as for Christianity, I may be biased, but Christianity ascends beyond behavior into what I would call a cultural and societal construct. Christian values are the foundation upon which Western Civilization is built, Christian values are the distinguishing trait that separates American culture from the savagery of the rest of the planet.

I can hardly consider homosexuality in the same neighborhood. It's not worth the debate.

At any rate, as far as gays being fired from their jobs? That's just wrong. However, there is a legal grounds for dismissal of homosexuals. Homosexuality is a behavior, and can only be defined and distinguished by homosexual sex.

Well, how does one distinguish themselves as a homosexual at work then? See where this is going? They have to advertise it, most likely in a manner that makes it uncomfortable to just about anyone who isn't interested in someone else's sex life. When you are impressing your sexual behavior upon someone else in the work place, it is sexual harassment. This is the unspoken truth that isn't brought up when you hear about these cases. It isn't discrimination, it's the fact that they put someone else in an uncomfortable situation sexually.

Think it doesn't happen? Look at that SF Fireman who's suing now for being forced to march in a parade against his will. That's just one scenario. I'm sure thousands of other cases go unpunished because the victim is afraid of being labeled with some silly @ssed name like "homophobe" which is intended to divert people paying attention from the real crime.

At any rate, as I said, we accept gays as fellow men or women, not as gays. That's just silly...I don't play at that level and never will.

[fwdude]

I just vomited a little in my throat. Yuck.

You haven't seen nothin' (from what I hear.) This is rated 'G' in the homo-phile community.

[VxH]

[I think of Nixon as not very conservative,]

Fiscally or Socially? He was a Quaker, only married once, and, to my knowledge, did not arrange the schedule of the White house per his wife’s astrologer.

With the return of the Soviets, I believe history will show that Reagan was popular but overrated. Yes I know that's sacrilege. Mia culpa.

[gondramB]

>>With the return of the Soviets, I believe history will show that Reagan was popular but overrated. Yes I know that’s sacrilege. Mia culpa.<<

I suspect the error was in blowing the “peace dividend on consumption” but heck if you can’t talk honestly with other conservatives who can you talk to? Its good to talk, when disagreements can be kept respectful.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Why does Sexual Orientation merit a parade? Is it some sort of accomplishment?

In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display... Moses wrote Genesis. This is why such people will jump up and down screaming when the Ten Commandments are displayed or the Creationist idea of monogamy from the book of Genesis is introduced.

Genesis also ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy.

This is the whole crux (pun intended) of their attack on creationism - - they are really frustrated by Genesis, but cannot destroy the axiomatic state of procreant human biology, it does not fit their religious agenda.

Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.

Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.

Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).

This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... so, when someone uses the terms "Gaystapo" or "Feminazi," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are, especially if you consider their eugenic breeding programs.

Many will seek ceremonious sanctification and esoteric absolution in some type of marriage rite, but that still fails to give them a connection to the eternal in both a religious and temporal, procreant sense - - the union does not produce offspring.

Dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality only feeds the impoverishment of the ego further. Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it...

[Scotsman will be Free]

Nixon conservative? HAHAHA! That freeper told you a good one.

[Non-Sequitur]

Why does Sexual Orientation merit a parade? Is it some sort of accomplishment?

I've never understood St. Patrick's Day parades either.

[VxH]

>>Nixon conservative?

Define Conservative?

It’s amazing the damage one little piece of tape can do. Silly plumbers.

RE your homepage. I have close relatives who are/were career LEO’s. Grew up around LEOS. They have the same human weaknesses as normal humans. Some more than others. Most were honorable but some were not - especially the political ladder climbers who climbed up the backs of their fellow officers. Despite that, the camaraderie among LEOS and their families is unique among professions. Is that your observation as well?

Back on topic. At least Nixon, unlike the puppet actor, fell honorably upon his sword.

What do you consider to be nonconservative about Nixon's actions?

[VxH]

[Are you saying that one man being turned on by another man’s hairy butt is perversion?]

 

It was obvious to Nixon that it was perversion.

(Nixon Whitehouse tapes transcript excerpt)

 

 

EHRLICHMAN: What's it called?

 

NIXON: "Archie's Guys." Archie is sitting here with his hippie son-in-law, married to the screwball daughter. The son-in-law apparently goes both ways. This guy. He's obviously queer--wears an ascot--but not offensively so. Very clever. Uses nice language. Shows pictures of his parents. And so Arch goes down to the bar. Sees his best friend, who used to play professional football. Virile, strong, this and that. Then the fairy comes into the bar.

 

I don't mind the homosexuality. I understand it. Nevertheless, goddamn, I don't think you glorify it on public television, homosexuality, even more than you glorify whores. We all know we have weaknesses. But, goddammit, what do you think that does to kids? You know what happened to the Greeks! Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo. We all know that. So was Socrates.

 

EHRLICHMAN: But he never had the influence television had.

 

NIXON: You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They were layin' the nuns; that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain. It happened earlier to France.

 

Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, [Attorney General John] Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this.

 

EHRLICHMAN: It's fatal liberality.

 

NIXON: Huh?

 

EHRLICHMAN: It's fatal liberality. And with its use on television, it has such leverage.

 

NIXON: You know what's happened [in northern California]?

 

EHRLICHMAN: San Francisco has just gone clear over.

 

NIXON: But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco.

 

Decorators. They got to do something. But we don't have to glorify it. You know one of the reasons fashions have made women look so terrible is because the goddamned designers hate women. Designers taking it out on the women. Now they're trying to get some more sexy things coming on again.

 

EHRLICHMAN: Hot pants.

 

NIXON: Jesus Christ.

So, was Nixon Socially Conservative regarding the subject of this thread?  I believe he was.  If you have evidence that indicates otherwise then please present it.  

 

 

 

[Scotsman will be Free]

Yes, LEOs and families are very similar to military families.
I was referring to Some of Nixon’s domestic policies like wage and price controls, not his stand on homosexuality.
I did not know what his views on that were, and got a kick out of reading your post. Thanks.

[longtermmemmory]

geez not this manure again.

A faction named after a sexual euphamism has no place in society let alone the Republican party.

[John Leland 1789]

The Republican party should neither say nor do anything to give the appearance of legitimizing, recognizing, endorsing or approving of sodomy or its practitioners. It is what the sodomites want — the limelight. It is what they want — to be given an air of legitimacy in their filth, and then use it to push their agenda in every area — education of the young, especially.

[gondramB]

>> Back on topic. At least Nixon, unlike the puppet actor, fell honorably upon his sword.

What do you consider to be nonconservative about Nixon’s actions?<<

Did you really just call President Reagan “the puppet actor?”

[VxH]

I’m sorry, my memory seems to be failing me... I just can’t recall.

[VRWC For Truth]

Already have one too many.

[Coleus]

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[Antoninus]

Just one question, if homosexuals are such a minority why do politicians always pander to get their vote?

Because they have a lot of money, that's why. And they are in high-profile occupations, like media, government, advertising, and marketing. They have political power well beyond their numbers.

[Antoninus]

My friend fought a tragic inner battle that tormented him to suicide. No one will ever understand the emotional turmoil that destroyed his life. The demons that haunted him and drove him to such a dark and lonely end also know no ethnic, gender or sexual-orientation boundaries.

This is so sad. This person killed himself because he was suffering from a mental disorder that psychiatry won't let practitioners treat because it's not politically correct. If short-sighted pols like Lonegan really want to help people like this, enabling them in their "gayness" is not the way to do it anymore than buying a six-pack for an alcoholic helps treat that particular addiction.