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Carrier training for Australian pilots-first time in 25 years
The Australian ^ | August 21, 2007 | Mark Dodd

Posted on 08/20/2007 9:19:52 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Carrier training for our pilots

Mark Dodd | August 21, 2007

AUSTRALIAN fighter pilots will be taught to land on aircraft carriers for the first time in 25 years.

A select handful of Royal Australian Air Force instructors will be chosen for lessons on how to land on US aircraft carriers flying the new F/A-18F Super Hornet fighter.

The plan, which could eventually lead to participation in US carrier-based operations, marks the first time Australian pilots have flown off aircraft carriers since the retirement of the navy's flagship carrier HMAS Melbourne in 1982.

The carrier training underscores the rapidly evolving military partnership between the US and Australian military.

Senior US navy sources said the relationship was likely to involve an increasing convergence in training and tactics between the RAAF's fast jets and their US equivalent.

RAAF Flight Lieutenant John Haly will become the first Australian air force pilot to become carrier-qualified when he attempts his toughest flying skills test later this year.

Asked to clarify RAAF Super Hornet training, Defence Minister Brendan Nelson said yesterday: "There is no plan for RAAF pilots to undertake training in aircraft carrier landings."

The official government line contradicts briefings provided to The Australian by senior US military officials at Lemoore Naval Air Station in California that other RAAF "Top Gun" instructor pilots are expected to follow Flight Lieutenant Haly and be provided with carrier training.

Full-scale Super Hornet training for RAAF air crew starts in the US in 2009.

"We've got him (Flight Lieutenant Haly) driving on the right side of the road so we figure he's trainable," said Lemoore-based Commander Art "Kato" Delacruz, executive officer of Strike Fighter Squadron VFA-122.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aircraftcarrier; armsbuildup; australia; aviation; navair; raaf; superhornets
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1 posted on 08/20/2007 9:19:54 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Can anyone provide an explanation on why the Aussies retired their carrier?


2 posted on 08/20/2007 9:33:02 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: magslinger

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3 posted on 08/20/2007 9:34:11 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: taxcontrol

The Aussies elected a liberal government which chose not to fund a replacement.


4 posted on 08/20/2007 9:38:25 AM PDT by paddles
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To: taxcontrol

Money and sailors to man it!!!!!!............


5 posted on 08/20/2007 9:38:27 AM PDT by GitmoSailor (AZ Cold War Vet===Fairness Doctrine for TV First!!!!!.....I'Am With Fred)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"We've got him (Flight Lieutenant Haly) driving on the right side of the road so we figure he's trainable," said Lemoore-based Commander Art "Kato" Delacruz, executive officer of Strike Fighter Squadron VFA-122.

Hey, anyone who can learn to drive on the right side of the road ought to be able to handle nighttime carrier landings in bad weather...... /s
6 posted on 08/20/2007 9:39:25 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: taxcontrol

The Aussies brought 2 light carriers(less than 20K tonnes) from Britain after the second world war,the last of them being taken out of service in the early 80s,since they were obsolete.Australia intended to purchase the HMS Invincible along with Harrier jets,but the Falklands war convinced Britain to keep them.


7 posted on 08/20/2007 9:39:45 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

With China as a looming threat this makes sense.


8 posted on 08/20/2007 9:43:25 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: taxcontrol

That I don’t know, but I would think they are looking at China as a possible threat.


9 posted on 08/20/2007 9:44:10 AM PDT by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: taxcontrol
Can anyone provide an explanation on why the Aussies retired their carrier?

1. Age. Had been in service 28 years. Was due to be replaced by HMS Invincible (to be renamed HMAS Australia), After the Falklands, the Brits decided to retain Invincible

2. Labor Party tradition. When newly elected scrap some defence capabilty (usually Navy), In 1972 it was the troop transport HMAS Sydney, the new fast combat support ship and DDL programs. (The Air Force lost a Mirage squadron at the same time)
In 1982 it was Melbourne/Melbourne relacement

10 posted on 08/20/2007 9:51:55 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Shau-dere? Shau-dere? It's chowdah Say it right! Come back here! I'm not through demeaning you)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I hear we may have a carrier (CV-67, USS JFK) that is still servicable.....maybe we are going to arrange a sale??????


11 posted on 08/20/2007 11:37:44 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: joe fonebone
I hear we may have a carrier (CV-67, USS JFK) that is still servicable.....maybe we are going to arrange a sale??????

1. It's not servicable without spending a couple of billion dollars

2, Even if it was, it's too frelling big to dry-dock in Australia, and requires too many crew.

12 posted on 08/20/2007 11:54:32 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Shau-dere? Shau-dere? It's chowdah Say it right! Come back here! I'm not through demeaning you)
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To: joe fonebone

I hope we can do something to help the Australians to build the strike capability of their navy. The ChiComs are building their navy as fast as possible. The Aussies are friends. All of the testicles that remain in the English-speaking world are in the United States, Australia and New Zealand.


13 posted on 08/20/2007 12:30:07 PM PDT by Defend the Second (Let Me Get This Straight: Illegal Invasion is OK, but Legal Expulsion is Not?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

US Marines train on HMS ILLUSTRIOUS

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/TrainingAndAdventure/UsMarinesEmbarkHarriersOntoHmsIllustriousvideo.htm

and now this.

Intersting and good developments for Western cooperation


14 posted on 08/20/2007 12:38:39 PM PDT by PurpleMan
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15 posted on 08/20/2007 1:51:29 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: taxcontrol

“Can anyone provide an explanation on why the Aussies retired their carrier?”

It’s hard to pay for a carrier with such a small population.


16 posted on 08/20/2007 2:15:48 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Defend the Second

This is not necessarily for the Royal Australian Navy.The Super Hornets are for the Airforce.Training on US carriers give them long range capabilities in the event of conflict.All on (Uncle Sam’s) House!!!!!!

There is little evidence to suggest now that the Aussies plan to build dedicated carriers,let alone one to deploy the Super Hornet.They are considering,though,modifying their 2 upcoming amphibious ships to launch the F-35B V/STOL versions.


17 posted on 08/20/2007 8:08:22 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Defend the Second

You mean the same New Zealand that wound up it’s Air Force a few years ago?????


18 posted on 08/20/2007 8:09:03 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Enchante
Sounds like the FRS in Lemoore is offering this to the Australians they are training. It isn't being requested by the Australian government.

The Navy has a handful of exchange instructors in our training units and a lot of them request to carrier qualify at the end of their initial training. It isn't required, but many do it for the experience and credibility with their future students. I don't care what country you are from fighter pilots don't like being called chicken.

19 posted on 08/20/2007 8:58:39 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Liberty Valance
"....With China as a looming threat this makes sense...."

BINGO!
20 posted on 08/20/2007 9:16:24 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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