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1 posted on 08/18/2007 9:59:27 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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I’m glad Tommy Thompson dropped out. Now I won’t get them mixed up......................./s


2 posted on 08/18/2007 10:02:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Sir Gawain
Did CNN pull a fast one on Fred Thompson? If that's what they did on the candidate's gay marriage issue, its just more evidence of the MSM's dishonesty.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 08/18/2007 10:04:30 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Fred is a federalist first, so he is against social policy being made at the federal level. Fred has been very consistant in his federalist view of government.


4 posted on 08/18/2007 10:05:18 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Sir Gawain; All

Fred Thompson is wrong on this.

It is already a federal issue. Legally the genie is already out of the bottle and the weasel words ala Hillary Clinton, are very very disheartening.

If he is only going to adopt the same BS position along the lines of a Guiliani, Romney, then his much anticipated entry is pointless. (other 1% candidates are dead in the water and a waste of electrons)


10 posted on 08/18/2007 10:25:44 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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"Resolved: That the Constitution confers upon Congress sovereign powers over the Territories of the United States for their government; and that in the exercise of this power, it is both the right and the imperative duty of Congress to prohibit in the Territories those twin relics of barbarism--Polygamy, and Slavery."

The above is the original Republican Platform of 1856.

The GOP was formed to fight against "those twin relics of barbarism, polygamy, and slavery."

One man, one woman.

Several states, including Utah, were only allowed into the Union if they would foreswear anything but one man, one woman laws and constitutions.

The idea that this pseudo-federalism has anything to do with real federalism is ridiculous.

11 posted on 08/18/2007 10:28:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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He does not believe that one state should be able to impose its marriage laws on other states,

Doesn't the full faith & credit clause do just that - a coupled married in one state is considered married in all the other states, right?

12 posted on 08/18/2007 10:29:27 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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Thompson believes that states should be able to adopt their own laws on marriage consistent with the views of their citizens.

Oh - so where does that leave the Federal Government? If California approves Gay Marriage, but Texas doesn't, how is the Federal Government going to handle that? Will the "spouse" in a gay marriage be eligible for spousal Social Security benefits if they are in California, but not in Texas?

What about that same scenario - a gay couple "married" legally in California moves to Texas - do they "loose" rights? What about tax filing? Will they be able to file jointly while California Citizens, but not if they move to Texas or any other state that does not recognize this screwed up marriage?

And therein is the problem. This is an interstate issue. I can completely understand what Fred is TRYING to say - he is trying to give power back to the states (a great idea), but is ignoring the real scope of this issue. Without federal protection, the "rights" gained if a state chooses to legalize gay marriage will ultimately be spread to states that oppose same-sex marriage because of the "equal protection" clause.

16 posted on 08/18/2007 10:37:00 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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The future is: “queerdom”. I mean the queers are winning now and in the immediate future. The heteros are beginning to fight back. Heteros can’t win on the federal level, and they will not be able to on the state level. That leaves counties and towns. Heteros must organize on this level. There is already such a town, Ave Maria, Florida. There maybe more that I don’t know about.


27 posted on 08/18/2007 11:17:39 AM PDT by Blake#1
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“He does not believe that one state should be able to impose its marriage laws on other states, or that activist judges should construe the constitution to require that. “

Either Thompson is a lying sack of sh*t or he’s so ignorant of Con Law issues that he should have his Law Degree revoked.

If marriage isn’t an obvious example of something that NEEDS to be protected under the Full Faith and Credit clause, then what is?

What type of idiot would think that the anarchy of having marriages appear and disappear as state borders are crossed is a good idea?

Gee, I guess you could be a “legal” bigamist if you married a second person in a state that didn’t recognize your first marriage (just to name one idiotic result of Thompson’s moronic “reasoning”).


45 posted on 08/18/2007 1:32:14 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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A federalist...


75 posted on 08/18/2007 7:13:43 PM PDT by Mariner
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"He supports the rights of States to choose their marriage law for themselves."

As do I.
78 posted on 08/18/2007 8:29:03 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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federalism ≠ activist social conservatism

Can anybody recommend a good brand of popcorn?

106 posted on 08/19/2007 11:54:02 AM PDT by Swordfished
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