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Rudy Hitting His Stride? {abortionist lover]
captains quarters ^ | 8/16/07 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 08/16/2007 6:15:38 PM PDT by bnelson44

Rudy Giuliani got good news earlier this week from a CBS poll that most people have learned to mistrust -- for good reason -- but Rasmussen may provide some corroboration today. According to the normally reliable pollster, Rudy has his first significant lead in head-to-head polling against Hillary Clinton, and the crosstabs show some surprising depth (via Instapundit):

After being virtually tied with Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for several months, Republican contender Rudy Giuliani now leads Clinton up 47% to 40% in the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

In the match-up of the frontrunners, this result marks a significant shift. For the last three months the two frontrunners have never been further apart than three percentage points. Last month, Giuliani and Clinton were separated by just a single point.

Senator Clinton fares modestly better against former Senator Fred Thompson. Clinton now has a three point edge over him, 46% to 43%. All four previous Clinton-Thomas have also been toss-ups.

It's significant that neither top 50% in the poll. Eight percent insist on voting for another candidate, even when the question gets posed as a two-choice affair. Five percent are unsure. We'll come back to them in a moment.

Rudy has some surprising strength in the demographics, especially women. While pundits believe that Hillary would motivate women to flock to her banner, Giuliani actually edges Hillary 44%-42% in this poll -- within the margin of error, to be sure, but much closer than most would imagine. Giuliani has a majority of those between 30-39 years of age (54-36) while Hillary has a slimmer majority in the 40-49 range (50-44). Despite Democratic claims on the youth vote, Hillary only gets a single percentage point lead on Rudy on the 18-29 demo (38-37), and Giuliani has significant leads among those 50 and older.

Otherwise, the only other surprise among the demographics are black voters. Hillary has a lead on Giuliani there, but Rasmussen shows the split 48-41 Hillary. I'd guess this to be a typo. The "Others" category is split 55-11 for Hillary, and I'd wager that they have the two turned around. Even so, only getting 55% of the black vote in a two-way race (18% unsure) looks like a huge problem for the Democrats.

As to those who are unsure, the most significant demographics for the undecided are those that favor Giuliani. That means that we could expect them to break more towards Rudy than Hillary when push comes to shove. All in all, this seems like the kind of boost that Rudy can use to make the case that he provides the best chance for Republicans to beat Hillary next November. John Podhoretz should be dancing over at The Corner with this news.

 


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008polls; duncanhunter; electionpresident; elections; fredthompson; giuliani; hillary; rasmussen; romney; rudy; rudymcromney; stoprudy
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To: GiveMeGoth
I think he can very reasonably take Ohio and Pennsylvania.

The last time I checked both states have a bunch of gun owners.

121 posted on 08/16/2007 8:14:04 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: alicewonders
Maybe they haven't looked?
(credit to Spiff)

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Overturning Roe v. Wade Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Varies
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports

122 posted on 08/16/2007 8:14:25 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Chunga
....has more in common with these two liberal men.......

..... then he ever had in common with this conservative man.....

Sounds about right.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Roe v. Wade Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani


123 posted on 08/16/2007 8:14:37 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: jonathanmo

Good grief, the Giuliani flying monkeys are out tonight.

What do you think that quote says?


124 posted on 08/16/2007 8:16:04 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: jonathanmo

Constimatooshunalists make me laugh.


126 posted on 08/16/2007 8:17:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: calcowgirl

Great conservative minds think alike.... calcowgirl and Reagan Man.


127 posted on 08/16/2007 8:18:04 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Rudder

They’re indistinguishable. Very likely you carry both.


129 posted on 08/16/2007 8:18:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Giuliani loves abortionists and they love him.)
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To: jonathanmo; Petronski

130 posted on 08/16/2007 8:19:04 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Reagan Man

131 posted on 08/16/2007 8:19:39 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Petronski
It says that Giuliani thinks Ginsberg is a smart lawyer and is well-qualified...it doesn't have the words "strict constructionist" anywhere in it...

Oh, and I am a Newt flying monkey, btw. I just hate seeing people make up stuff to trash Republicans...
132 posted on 08/16/2007 8:20:07 PM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: JMack
Hillary has power. Big, big big Power. If she's elected she'll have a mandate to do whatever she wants, including shoving universal health care down our throats, raising taxes on income and everything else, appointing Janet Reno and Bill Clinton to the Supreme Court, codifying first-trimester abortions as a civil right...you name it...she'll do it.

While I'd prefer Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Mitt Romney or even John McCain (who is at least pro-life) as the Republican nominee, I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN IN THE GENERAL ELECTION...I don't care if Olympia Snowe jumps into the fray!

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON. WAKE UP.

133 posted on 08/16/2007 8:20:15 PM PDT by Chunga (Conservatives Don't Let Democrats Win Elections. They Vote Republican.)
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To: Rudder

Rudiphiliacs like you hate the second amendment.


134 posted on 08/16/2007 8:21:05 PM PDT by Petronski (Giuliani loves abortionists and they love him.)
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To: jonathanmo

The quote you posted says that.


135 posted on 08/16/2007 8:21:40 PM PDT by Petronski (Giuliani loves abortionists and they love him.)
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To: Rudder
[.. Gee, you're not very discriminatying if see no difference between Hilliary and Rudy, unless, of course, you're blinded by your bias. ..]

They believe many of the same things.. Rudy even said that in public.. Course Rudy is on the same page with Hitlery, Bubba, Ted Kennedy, Francois Kerry, Bwany Fwank, Howard Dean, Rosie ODonut, and Richard Simmons in a hot pink Turkey Suit..

The boy is weirded out..

136 posted on 08/16/2007 8:24:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Saint Louis
Those attacks are so lame and superficial that I believe there are shills here among the Freepers from the Democrats

Cut me a friggin' break.

You've been here since 2005. Now check out the signup dates for many of the Rudy critics. 1997. 1998. 1999. Old-school freepers. Folks who have fought creeping liberalism for years.

And what does Rudy offer us? Abortion "rights". Denial of gun rights. Gay "rights". Denial of basic First Amendment rights.

The problem with Rudy is not that stealth Democrats are attacking him on FR. The problem with Rudy is that he is a stealth Democrat.

137 posted on 08/16/2007 8:25:38 PM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: dirtboy
The problem with Rudy is not that stealth Democrats are attacking him on FR.

Wipe the dirt out of your eyes, boy.

138 posted on 08/16/2007 8:27:30 PM PDT by Chunga (Conservatives Don't Let Democrats Win Elections. They Vote Republican.)
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To: Chunga
Wipe the dirt out of your eyes, boy.

Hmmm - JimRob is leading the attack against Rudy - wanna call him a stealth Democrat?

Rudy is pro-abort. Anti-gun. Pro-gay. Anti-First-Amendment. Pro-amnesty and pro-sanctuary city. Pro-global warming.

He is a Dem in RINO clothing. The only place in the United States where he could be considered "conservative" is east of the Hudson River.

139 posted on 08/16/2007 8:29:20 PM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: Petronski
Rudiphiliacs like you hate the second amendment.

This conversation with you has regressed to the kindergarden stage. You're simply not worthy of intelligent debate.

140 posted on 08/16/2007 8:31:13 PM PDT by Rudder
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