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To: Eric Blair 2084
I'm a Rush 24/7 subscriber and have been listening to him for 15+ years (and I am 29).

Smoking in a car with a child is child abuse.

Rush makes an idiotic comment that if smoking is so bad, why not ban it. Well, adults are free to make their own decisions. So are waiters in smoking restaurants (don't work there).

Children, however, are not able to make these decisions. Hence there is a state interest. No one here opposes the state preventing child abuse. As the son of someone who was an in-car smoker and suffered asthma-like illeness because of it (along with my sibling who did have asthma), and knowing that 2nd hand smoke is full of poison, I disagree fully with Rush and told him so in an email.

Nanny state is telling adults what they can and cannot do. Preventing children from being poisoned by their stupid parents is the reason government exists.

7 posted on 08/16/2007 3:16:08 PM PDT by mbraynard (FDT: Less Leadership Experience than any president in US history)
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To: mbraynard

Interestingly, I sort of agree with you...

If you put a gun to my head and forced me to pass one of the following two stupid nanny state laws:

Ban smoking in cars with chilruns or
Ban smoking in bars with degenerate drunks and lard asses

I would ban the former.


9 posted on 08/16/2007 3:20:57 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: mbraynard
Preventing children from being poisoned by their stupid parents is the reason government exists.

Woah, that's a little scary....so what are you going to say if the government decides that Christian values are hateful "mind poison" and children should be protected from parents who stupidly adhere to them?

10 posted on 08/16/2007 3:28:02 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (I practice Calorie Offset Trading. I eat a candy bar & pay my kid 10 bucks to run around the block)
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To: mbraynard

Preventing children from being poisoned by their stupid parents is the reason government exists.


I agree with you up to a point, and that point is WHO is defining what is poisonous...some people would say having a Bible openly displayed in your home where children could see it is abuse. Be careful what you wish for.


12 posted on 08/16/2007 3:34:11 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: mbraynard
Smoking in a car with a child is child abuse.

PROVE IT!!!!
When children are "protected", then (liberal) children don't grow up.

14 posted on 08/16/2007 3:48:52 PM PDT by jcparks (Claire, I'm afraid its time)
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To: mbraynard
I almost agree with you, but here is the problem: where does it end? What about the rotten parents out there who feed their kids nothing but crap and they weigh 300 lbs. at 12 years old? Do you really want the government stepping in and mandating what you can and can not feed your children? This is the proverbial camel trying to get his nose under the tent flap. Before long, the whole damn camel is in the tent.

I think that many people who don't smoke (or who were subjected to it as children as you were) have a very strong (and perhaps justified) reaction to this particular issue, but how about we correct it ourselves rather than having the Nanny State step in? Besides, there is no guarantee anywhere that says that you have the right to perfect parents. Face it, not all parents are going live up to our expectations, but we love them anyway and we deal with it and we try to do better (as we see it) for our children.

16 posted on 08/16/2007 3:55:07 PM PDT by Pablo64 (Ask me about my alpacas!)
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To: mbraynard

Do you also oppose awarding custody or permitting adoption/foster home placement of children with homosexual couples?

Or do you think that this poses no harm to the child’s mental (if not physical) well-being?


19 posted on 08/16/2007 4:11:29 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: mbraynard
and knowing that 2nd hand smoke is full of poison, I disagree fully with Rush and told him so in an email.

Care to prove that with scientific fact?

The three largest studies done to date disagree with that opinion.

Studies run about 80% against there being any lasting physical harm from ETS to an otherwise healthy human being.

20 posted on 08/16/2007 4:13:09 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: mbraynard
Smoking in a car with a child is child abuse.

Having a child in a car is dangerous too. How many kids are killed in car crashes every year? Should we ban that too?

23 posted on 08/16/2007 4:39:44 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: mbraynard
Smoking in a car with a child is child abuse.

No, it is not. Enabling government to go after your favorite demon and then forcing those kids to live in chains is.
27 posted on 08/16/2007 5:45:30 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mbraynard
Preventing children from being poisoned by their stupid parents is the reason government exists.

Really? I don't see that among the enumerated powers of the federal government in the US Constitution. And most of the restrictions in Bill of Rights Amendments and Fourteenth Amendment apply also to state and local governments. American law traditionally recognizes that the citizen has the right to be left alone (vis-a-vis government at any level, unless there is a compelling reason for the state to intervene. But then again, you sound like you know nothing about the Constitution and the legal tradition of the country, perhaps because you were miseducated in a decadent public school system.

I don't know the particulars in your case, but isn't it better for the child who old enough to talk to tell his or her parent that the smoke is bothering him or her, rather than to have a stranger from a government bureaucracy intervene. 90+ percent of the time, the parent would respond in some positive way, either not smoke altogether in the car or open the windows when he/she did. Government intervention in family squabbles should be the last resort, and that only when serious injury or death is a distinct possibility. It usually isn't in cases such as this and therefore government shouldn't be intervening except in the most urgent of circumstances.

28 posted on 08/16/2007 5:54:43 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: mbraynard
"Smoking in a car with a child is child abuse."

Riding with a smoker who has their window down isn't bad. It's pretty bad when the windows are up, though.

[Whew! My brain muscles are aching now. That was hard.]
36 posted on 08/16/2007 9:45:10 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: mbraynard
Smoking in a car with a child is child abuse.

No, it is not, and it is no business of any governmental authority.

In my mind, eating Big Mac's in a car is "child abuse".

Listening to Marilyn Manson in a car is "child abuse". DRIVING with a child in the car is "child abuse".

Just stop it.

37 posted on 08/16/2007 10:02:01 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: mbraynard
Nanny state is telling adults what they can and cannot do. Preventing children from being poisoned by their stupid parents is the reason government exists.

Sorry I missed this.

The reason government exists is to defend the populace and the borders, maintain the roads, put out the fires, fill the potholes, collect the trash, and then stay the hell out of whatever else it is that the citizens may want to do for fun or enterprise.

God! you people are incorrigible!

38 posted on 08/16/2007 10:10:00 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: mbraynard

You ever hear of cracking a window?

I smoke with my kids in the car, but the window is cracked open so that all the smoke go outside.

Why is simple physics so hard for some folks to understand.


67 posted on 08/17/2007 9:45:50 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: mbraynard

“Smoking in a car with a child is child abuse.”

So is teaching the bible, according to some folks.

“Preventing children from being poisoned by their stupid parents is the reason government exists.”

And you just provided the liberals the tool to ban home schooling.


83 posted on 08/17/2007 12:15:34 PM PDT by CSM ("The real question is, why donÂ’t we hate them?" - Veto! (8/9/2007))
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To: mbraynard

Exceeding the speed limit with a child in the car is also child abuse through reckless endangerment, should we have two sets of speed limits or perhaps increased penalties when a child is present?

Where would you see these distinctions end?


86 posted on 08/17/2007 12:26:59 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mbraynard

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158 posted on 08/17/2007 3:17:29 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mbraynard
Preventing children from being poisoned by their stupid parents is the reason government exists.

Using your logic all alcohol should be banned _now_.

A drunk parent at home is a clear and present danger to their child, right? How many drunk parents beat their kids?

They are certainly more dangerous than puffs of smoke in a car.

Life for kids has risks. The only way to eliminate those risks is to kill all the children so they can't die later.
163 posted on 08/17/2007 3:24:24 PM PDT by cgbg (Al Gore, Michael Moore--tax the ugly boors!)
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To: mbraynard

“Preventing children from being poisoned by their stupid parents is the reason government exists.”

I don’t think so. If govt existed to protect children, it would not allow them to be murdered now would it?


187 posted on 08/17/2007 4:06:13 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Forfeiture of liberty for dubious security undermines our credibility as a free nation.)
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To: mbraynard
Odd.

I was a child who had asthma and allergies and my dad smoked in the car and I hated it.

Now that I'm an adult: I SMOKE cigarettes and it doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, the smoking LESSENS my fall allergies significantly.

So...I'm a 'child abuser' because my 2 girls (4 and 8) LOVE the smell of my pipe tobacco smoke? They BEG me to light it up and blow the smoke their direction.

Most of the time I say, "no" because I'm not interested in smoking a pipe that evening, (caution sarcasm ahead) thus crushing their dear little hearts. They are upset. They cry. I've hurt them emotionally...it's child abuse...it HAS to be. These little girls WANT daddy to light up the pipe and blow smoke in their direction and he doesn't do it ALL THE TIME. Can someone in the government step in and save these little girls from a dad who won't light up his pipe and let them enjoy the smoke?

226 posted on 08/17/2007 5:53:51 PM PDT by invoman
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