Don’t Let the Smoking Police In (And Don't Lick Barbie)

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[Just another Joe]

You either don't know how to read your own studies - I read three of them.

And apparently you don't know how to read a study. Either that or you don't believe that "Relative Risk" (RR) means anything.

I'm not sure which.

We're at the point of saying the same things to each other again and again and I don't think either of us will convince the other on this subject.
If you would like to continue this discussion we can but I don't see any point to it.

If you'd like to read my final say on this, here it is.

Is it a good idea to smoke around children? Probably not.
Not because there's danger from ETS but because there is danger from first hand smoking and it sets an example that children probably shouldn't have.

[Eric Blair 2084]

My kids wear seatbelts, booster seats in the car. What are you talking about?

[Eric Blair 2084]

Let’s start from the beginning. Do you think that an RR of 1.25 means a 25% risk elevation?

[Just another Joe]

Let me ask you - did you READ all 43 of them? Do you have a pubmed subscription? How do you know 80% of them don't meet a standard if you didn't read them? That's a lot of work - something only a paid researcher would take the time to do.

I've read many more than 43.
I do have a pubmed subscription, along with a couple of others that have studies like these appear in them.

As for being a paid researcher, no, I'm not. I have had about six years to do this though.

[Raycpa]

You think the only bad effect of smoking is cancer?

The number one problem from smoking is heart disease.

[invoman]

Odd.

I was a child who had asthma and allergies and my dad smoked in the car and I hated it.

Now that I'm an adult: I SMOKE cigarettes and it doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, the smoking LESSENS my fall allergies significantly.

So...I'm a 'child abuser' because my 2 girls (4 and 8) LOVE the smell of my pipe tobacco smoke? They BEG me to light it up and blow the smoke their direction.

Most of the time I say, "no" because I'm not interested in smoking a pipe that evening, (caution sarcasm ahead) thus crushing their dear little hearts. They are upset. They cry. I've hurt them emotionally...it's child abuse...it HAS to be. These little girls WANT daddy to light up the pipe and blow smoke in their direction and he doesn't do it ALL THE TIME. Can someone in the government step in and save these little girls from a dad who won't light up his pipe and let them enjoy the smoke?

[Madame Dufarge]

You expect the state to protect your property but not your children?

Property rights are a contractual agreement, which the state is established to protect.

Your argument conflates the two, making children the property of the state.

[Madame Dufarge]

The left has it's morons, too, and so do we.

You know, you really can't carry this off.

You are the left, and not a very good actor, either.

[Wheee The People]

Most of the addicts here would throw their children under the bus in a second for their addiction. And the preamble to the constitution? "to promote the general welfare" is a protection of their rights to smoke. Any other interpretation is for wimps, liberals, nazis and sissies.

[Raycpa]

Children then have no rights and are property of the parent?

[Madame Dufarge]

Back when you were VWRC_minion, I seem to recall tear-soaked stories about how your ex-wife and the mother of your children, was an alcoholic.

Wouldn't that have been a form of child abuse, fathering children with those risky genetics in play?

[mbraynard]

Why am I not surprised that you are a pipe smoker?

[Eric Blair 2084]

Don't worry Wheee, a llmited government right wing leader like Fred will straighten out all of the folks who are addicted to Statism, power, control and Marxism.

There will be no more control addicts. We're all sick of addicts like you. You are done. He'll see to it.

Nice tagline.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Why am I not surprised that you are a pipe smoker?

[mbraynard]

*shrug*

I'm not hiding my identity like you are. You can see very easily who I am and what I do.

I'm glad I'm here to rep the Conservatives here who are not whack jobs who think it's ok to use children as ashtrays.

[Raycpa]

The natural rights for addicts are the right to smoke followed by life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

These rights are granted by God and are self evident.

[Wheee The People]

Nice tagline

Thanks...How's the Obama campaign coming?

[mbraynard]

I guess that's why you haven't cited any directly. Three of them that were first.... all backed what I said. I quoted from them. You've never done that.

And I keep repeating myself - did any of them involve children? Bueller? Bueller? I have answered every stupid question I've gotten in this whole discussion from a bunch of substance abusers projecting their own self-loathing of their inability to kick the habbit. But you can't answer ONE of mine - a very simple one for someone who supposedly has 'read studies' (*cough*BS*cough*)

[Raycpa]

She was a closet alcoholic and hid her booze in in places like garden hose, clorox bottles, hair care products.

If I didn’t smoke maybe I could of smelled the booze.

She even managed to fool her second husband for 20 years.

[takenoprisoner]

“The number one problem from smoking is heart disease.”

There you go. My paternal grandmother had heart disease and diabetes. She never smoked a day in her life. Neither did her husband (my grandfather.) On the maternal side both my grandparents smoked. And yes, in the car with their grandkids. All of my grandparents have passed. Each of them passed between the ages of 79 and 81. How long do you want to live? Eighty, ninety, one hundred? Past eighty, does it really matter?

Talk your nannystatism elsewhere. This is America.