Mountain Meadows Massacre (from LDS website)

Ensign, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints ^ | September 2007 | Richard E. Turley Jr., Managing Director, Family and Church History Department

[RC2]

No need to apologize. I never believe what Hollywood says. I just look at their movies as entertainment, nothing more. I do enjoy ancient history though. I have been told that people think I lived during the Roman days. Their history is of great interest to me. I wish that more of their history was recorded.

[Logophile]

If 150 years ago has no bearing on Mormons of today, then by the same rationalism the Book of Mormon likewise has no bearing on today. Toss it out and get back to the Bible as inspired by God, however if you refuse to shed the BOM, it follows you have to live with the legacy horrible massacre. The irony is that the massacre is fact and the book of mormon is pure fiction.

I think you need to look up the meaning of the term non sequitur.

[colorado tanker]

Who is justifying it?

Nobody I know of.

I'm sure Hollywood won't, but I don't trust them to get the story right, either.

[RC2]

What I was driving at is this incident has no bearing on today. Just as Christians being killed in Rome has no bearing on how we live our lives today. If it did have anything to do with today, we would all hate Mormons and Italians, or the British. It’s just history to be learned from.

[Weeedley]

No non-sequter there, both examples are from the same era in time. You dismiss the massacre because of the lapse of 150 years with the implication that a lot of time has gone by, *an acceptable excuse), therein lies a better reason to dismiss the still older BOM.

[DanielLongo]

When the Mormons planned their migration, they intended to leave the U.S., where they had been persecuted, for Mexican territory

I don't know where you got this from, but Brigham Young was adamant about their relocating to the mountains for the very reason this article points out. Of course, the Utah territory was still officially in Mexican territory at the time. Mormons were the first to discover gold at Sutter's Mill and the next find at "Mormon Island" but they left California, having been there only because they were recruits in the "Mormon Battalion" durring the Mexican War. They built the first schools and municiple buildings in San Diego and San Francisco, but returned to Utah. Joseph Smith had once considered purchasing Vancouver Island, but directed that the Saints would remove to the mountains. They went to the Rocky Mountains to be left alone. But the spirit that hunts the blood of the Saints is restless. Even today. The Church is not an activist Church. Seldom does it take political or social stands in a public way. There is no paid clergy. No politician is allowed to use a Church building for political purposes, nor are the members. We spend no money on pamphlets or literature discrediting other faiths, while millions are spent by evangelical churches on their "cult" hysteria. They went to the mountains with a singular purpose- to live unmolested. It didn't last long, but it was long enough. Now we can live all of those other places.

[Weeedley]

This is one of the two hollywood offerings that actually got me interested in seeing this year.

[DanielLongo]

Now there is some critical thinking! Thanks for participating.

[DanielLongo]

Shocker

[Weeedley]

Pleural wives got the attention of the 19th century types who got more worked up over religion than we do. That teaching was calculated so that Mormons would NOT be left alone.

[tioga]

When Haight read Young’s words, he sobbed like a child and could manage only the words, “Too late, too late.”7

Dear God, he murdered innocent defenseless people and he only regretted it after getting that letter? What the heck kind of religion would teach that killing is ok?

[Weeedley]

Nothing like a Mormon thread to sharpen ones wits.

[Weeedley]

Nothing like a Mormon thread to sharpen ones wits.

[DanielLongo]

I stumbled across a great documentary at the library. It is a recent work based on forensics, satelite imagery, and a host of other sciences to debunk the long held notion of a “Dark Age”. Instead, it shows a rather smooth progression from Roman technology in the ancient world. I’ll make a note to myself and forward the title when I find it. If you like Roman history, you’ll love this because it deals heavily with the Roman influence on early Britain.

[Weeedley]

Fast forward to this era + militant islam...

[DanielLongo]

This thread is not about the Book of Mormon. There are plenty of threads in the religious section if you wish to argue your point. I will kindly ask you to refrain on this thread.

[TChris]

September 11 seems not to be a good day for America.

I just noticed that too. That's a pretty sobering coincidence.

[colorado tanker]

Their destination could not have been determined in advance, because so little was known of the Far West. The territory now embraced in the boundaries of California and Utah was then under Mexican government, and "California" was, in common use, a name covering the Pacific coast and a stretch of land extending indefinitely eastward. Oregon had been heard of a good deal, and it, as well as Vancouver Island, had been spoken of as a possible goal if a westward migration became necessary. Lorenzo Snow, in describing the westward start, said: "On the first of March, the ground covered with snow, we broke encampment about noon, and soon nearly four hundred wagons were moving to--WE KNEW NOT WHERE."

"Biography of Lorenzo Snow," p. 86.

[DanielLongo]

King Arthur's Britain [videorecording] Pryor, Francis. Publisher: Channel Four Television Corporation : Pub date: [2005]

Don't let the title throw you off. It has to do with ancient Britain and the time from which the legendary character was to have arisen from, not Arthur and the Holy Grail and so forth. If you can find it I guarantee you will enjoy it. It is very up-to-date and very thought provoking.

[Logophile]

No non-sequter there, both examples are from the same era in time. You dismiss the massacre because of the lapse of 150 years with the implication that a lot of time has gone by, *an acceptable excuse), therein lies a better reason to dismiss the still older BOM.

I stand astonished by your thought processes.

For the record, I neither dismiss nor excuse the Mountain Meadows Massacre.