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Revealed: The hijab-wearing 17-year-old Muslim girl hired as a community police officer (U.K.)
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | August 16, 2007 | ANDY DOLAN

Posted on 08/16/2007 10:10:01 AM PDT by Stoat

Revealed: The hijab-wearing 17-year-old Muslim girl hired as a community police officer

By ANDY DOLAN - More by this author » Last updated at 13:32pm on 16th August 2007

 

 

Nadia Naeem

Nadia Naeem has been recruited as a Police Community Support Officer

 

A Muslim teenager has been named as one of the 'babies on the beat' as police community support officers.

The Daily Mail revealed on Monday how Thames Valley police were employing two 16-year-old schoolleavers as PCSOs.

Yesterday it emerged that the force also recruited three 17-year-olds, including Nadia Naeem, now 18, who wears the hijab.

All now have the power to detain and question suspects.

The Police Federation representing rank-and-file officers claims the teenagers, who are still legally children, will lack the maturity and life experience necessary to do a dangerous job.

It says PCSOs are recruited as cheap replacements for mainstream officers.

But Thames Valley police insist the teenagers have the necessary skills.

A spokesman said that "if you are good enough, you are old enough". Miss Naeem, from Bicester, Oxfordshire,

joined the force - which covers Oxfordshire, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire - in February.

She patrols the town's East Neighbourhood zone along with four other PCSOs.

She is expected to issue penalty notices, pull over vehicles and carry out 'stop and search' procedures under terror laws.

At the time she was recruited, aged 17, she would have had the power to seize alcohol from anyone in the street despite being too young to drink herself.

According to one resident in her home town, she used to work in the local Tesco.

Community support officers were introduced in 2003 by then Home Secretary David Blunkett as a means of providing an extra reassuring presence on the street.

'Blunkett's Bobbies' have only a fraction of the training given to mainstream colleagues - an initial five-week course compared to 19 for regular police officers.

The teenage PCSOs have now been dubbed Blunkett's Babies.

Police Federation spokesman Metin Enver yesterday called for a minimum recruitment age for the civilian officers of 18, the same as for regular police officers.

He said: "What we are seeing in Thames Valley is chief officers and chief constables looking at ways to save money.

"By replacing sworn police officers with PCSOs we are not getting the level of maturity and expertise which local people-will quite rightly want and deserve.

"If someone does not have the level of expertise or maturity, especially in confrontational or aggressive situations, not only are they putting themselves at risk, but other members of public in danger."

A spokesman for Thames Valley Police refused to reveal who the other four young recruits are.

"We do not want to personalise this and turn the matter into a focus on these young people's competency to do the job," the spokesman said.

The 16-year-old boys work in Reading, Berkshire. It is believed the other two 17-year-olds are based in Oxfordshire.

Thames Valley PCSOs earn £17,000 £20,000, depending on their work hours. A full PC starts at £21,000, rising to £33,000.

At least five other forces are known to employ PCSOs under 18, or have admitted doing so in the past.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; england; greatbritain; islam; muslim; muslims; police; uk; unitedkingdom; waronterror; wot
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To: johnny7

I thought it was King Corruption.

Regards


21 posted on 08/16/2007 1:19:37 PM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: Stoat
And the point of all this is what?

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

22 posted on 08/16/2007 1:34:02 PM PDT by expatguy (New and Improved ! - Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: Doctor Raoul
...and if there is a crime at a liquor store? what then? Is she allowed to go in and handle evidence? detain some one who may be drunk?
23 posted on 08/16/2007 1:37:20 PM PDT by KristieK
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To: KristieK

“if there is a crime at a liquor store? what then? Is she allowed to go in and handle evidence? detain some one who may be drunk?”

PCSOs are not the same as Police Officers, so they would not be routinely expected to respond to emergency calls such as that.


24 posted on 08/16/2007 6:47:05 PM PDT by UKTory
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To: johnny7

ROFL - just snorted coffee on my keyboard at that pic!


25 posted on 08/16/2007 8:08:09 PM PDT by mhb23re
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To: Stoat
You pinged me while I was away on vacation. Anyway, put the political correct muzzie butt kissing aside for a minute and we'll see how well the city admin types like the PCSO babies on the beat when one of them gets the crap beat out of them or killed trying to detain a suspect.

Whats wrong with just having an Explorer program like here in the states? We just put them at barricades for parades. Now if they'd just pick up spent brass at the range...

26 posted on 08/18/2007 9:09:32 PM PDT by Horatio Gates
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To: Stoat

D O O M E D That spells England.


27 posted on 08/18/2007 9:26:32 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (")
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To: Horatio Gates
You pinged me while I was away on vacation.

Welcome back, and I hope that you had a nice time   :-)

Anyway, put the political correct muzzie butt kissing aside for a minute and we'll see how well the city admin types like the PCSO babies on the beat when one of them gets the crap beat out of them or killed trying to detain a suspect.

Since it appears that there is very little concern on the part of city admin types for the safety of the regular citizens, as evidenced by an increasing crackdown on any efforts at self-defense on the part of the British public, I'm guessing that violence perpetrated against these kids will be viewed as similarly uninteresting, with the possible exception of 'outrage' over the 'inherent racism' involved in any attacks against these Muzzie kids. 

Whats wrong with just having an Explorer program like here in the states? We just put them at barricades for parades. Now if they'd just pick up spent brass at the range...

As stated in the article here:

"What we are seeing in Thames Valley is chief officers and chief constables looking at ways to save money.

"By replacing sworn police officers with PCSOs we are not getting the level of maturity and expertise which local people-will quite rightly want and deserve.

The Explorer programs here in the USA don't replace existing officers and therefore don't save money, whereas these 'community officers' are taking the place of actual police officers, at a significantly lower cost.

Less expertise, maturity, professionalism capability and effectiveness?  Apparently those are no longer active concerns.

28 posted on 08/18/2007 11:51:26 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Just for the record, my musings regarding explorers was tongue in cheek and some wishful thinking.


29 posted on 08/19/2007 12:48:25 AM PDT by Horatio Gates
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To: All
UPDATE

Community police solve ONE crime each every six years News This is London

Community police solve ONE crime each every six years

20.08.07

 

 

Shocking figures today cast doubts on the effectiveness of police community support officers.

They show that, on average, each one solves a crime every six years.

And they hand out fines for anti- social behaviour, public disorder or motoring offences at a rate of one every four months.

In several areas the teams, dubbed Blunkett's Bobbies after the home secretary who created them, failed to detect a single crime or write a solitary fixed penalty notice over the past year.

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community police

Community Police Officers: they solve just one crime each in six years

 

By contrast, a fully-sworn police officer detects an average of 11 crimes a year.

The figures, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, come days after the Daily Mail revealed that two 16-year- old school-leavers had been recruited as PCSOs, earning the label "Babies on the Beat".

Last night leaders of 'proper' police officers condemned the use of PCSOs as a cheap "con trick" to make the public feel safe. Alan Gordon, vice chairman of the Police Federation, which represents rank and file officers, said: "What these powerful figures show is that they deliver very, very little".

Britain's 14,000 PCSOs, who can earn up to £24,500 a year, have powers to detain suspects until police arrive and to hand out fixed-penalty notices for a range of traffic and public order offences.

But the figures suggest they have very little impact and that many have failed to catch a single crook or punish even one yob, let alone a gang.

In the past year the 2,454 community officers in the 12 police forces surveyed detected just 384 crimes. That means, on average, it takes more than six PCSOs to solve a crime a year.

They were intended to be the "eyes and ears" of their forces, but no offences at all were detected by officers in West Midlands, which has 644 PCSOs, Northumbria (248), Nottinghamshire (217), Staffordshire (203), Dorset (122) or Dyfed Powys (77).

Leicestershire's 216 community support officers detected just six crimes between them; Northamptonshire had 20 detections from 129 officers; the 145 in North Wales solved 82 offences; Humberside's 194 officers notched up 128 offences and Hertfordshire cleared up 133 crimes with a workforce of 223.

Police chiefs and ministers argue that it is not the job of PCSOs to solve crimes - they are supposed to provide a visible presence in the community and help tackle antisocial behaviour.

But their record on handing out fines for just such a purpose is far from encouraging.

In the past year 27,711 fixed penalty notices were dished out by 9,923 community officers in 29 different police forces. That is the equivalent of 2.8 fines a year each. The survey also uncovered huge differences between forces, making it a lottery as to whether offenders are punished or not.

The Metropolitan-Police, who piloted the use of PCSOs, issued just 340 fines for public order offences from their team of 3,694 community officers.

Even this was impressive compared with Staffordshire, Dyfed Powys and Suffolk, whose combined force of 403 did not write a single penalty notice between them.

In other forces, however, the community officers were busy. West Yorkshire's workforce of 690 distributed 7,388 fixed penalty notices; Humberside's tally was 3,874 from 194 officers; North Wales managed 3,132 fines from 145 officers; Gloucestershire 4,738 from 169 and South Wales 2,215 from 314.

The teams in Durham were the most prolific, with 4,541 notices distributed by 142 officers - about 32 each.

The Police Federation's Alan Gordon, said:

"PSCOs have been seen by some as a cheap alternative to police officers, who can make the public feel safe. But these figures show we were right to be concerned about what benefits they are bringing to the table.

"The public say it is nice to see PCSOs in uniform wandering around the street - which is fine until you ask them to do something."

Mr Gordon added: "What is also disturbing is that, as budgets are squeezed, we are going to see numbers of police officers falling as PCSOs increase."

Chief constables are under pressure to employ more of the cheaper community officers rather than full-time sworn officers.

In the past year the number of PCSOs nationwide has risen from 7,000 to 13,748. Figures released recently under the Freedom of Information Act show that eight of the 43 forces in England and Wales expect to recruit more support officers than police by 2008.

The Home Office said last night: "Detecting crime and handing out penalty notices is not the primary function of PCSOs - they are there in a supporting role.

"To attempt to measure their success solely by looking at the number of penalty notices and crimes they detect is to miss the point. Their primary role is to provide high-visibility reassurance, build confidence in communities and support police officers".


30 posted on 08/19/2007 11:22:01 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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