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Gun control back as national issue
Star-Telegram ^ | Aug. 12, 2007 | ANNA M. TINSLEY

Posted on 08/15/2007 11:29:17 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

Lefties will continue to try to point out “loopholes” as long as private citizens own firearms. Same story, different day.


21 posted on 08/15/2007 12:02:47 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: Cuttnhorse
Not really. I bought an almost new Springfield Armory XD 9 at a show and when I asked about waiting time, required paper work, receipt, bill of sale, the seller told me that since he wasn't a business, but a private citizen who rented table space at a gun show

So he broke the law. Doesn't mean that there ISN'T a law.

22 posted on 08/15/2007 12:03:23 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: neverdem
Gun control back as national issue

Already? Well I was wondering what it would take to dislodge the Dems from power; gun control it is.

23 posted on 08/15/2007 12:03:29 PM PDT by NeoCaveman ("I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week." - Romney on B. Hussein Obama)
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To: cripplecreek; All
At this point I don’t think either party wants this settled. It makes such a handy campaign issue that they just can’t bear the thought of not being able to use it any more.

IMHO, I disagree. The neoCOMs took the issue off the table by running many RKBA candidates in 2006. They took back control of Congress. Now they can't be anything but themselves, a collection of multicultural special interests, in denial of how they won in 2006. IMHO, they're walking into an ambush of their own making. Since 1994, this has been a loosing issue for the neoCOMs.

24 posted on 08/15/2007 12:03:56 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Cuttnhorse

If you buy from a private individual why would there be more to it?

No different than going to one of the many firearm related websites that offer a “For Sale” section, finding a gun you want and then go meet that person to seal the deal.

By the way, if you are a felon it is STILL illegal for you to buy a gun in a private sale.

The proposed law wants to stop ALL private sales at gun shows. Which would only be a precursor to stopping ALL private sales, period.


25 posted on 08/15/2007 12:05:17 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: neverdem
Did King own a gun?

Yes. In his writings and in interviews, King, the object of many death threats, acknowledged once owning a gun in Montgomery, Ala., and seeking a license to carry in a gun in his car. In The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr., he wrote that the issue of armed protection arose after a bombing at his home. He ultimately rejected armed defense, however, because he decided that it was inconsistent with his message.

It was his right to decide he didn't want or need a gun to protect himself. I wonder, though, if he would have agreed with Jesse Jackson that citizens should be deprived of the right to make that choice for themselves. The fact that King chose to get rid of his gun does not in any way support the idea that other citizens should be forced to live by that choice themselves.

26 posted on 08/15/2007 12:06:46 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: hophead
San Francisco “They also required privately owned handguns to be stored in a locked container or with a trigger lock.”

That's where I put mine when I'm not using it to protect my home from intruders.

It's really a stupid issue. Obviously if I use my gun to blow away some drug crazed invader, the gun was in my care and control, so this "law" wouldn't be of much use against a gun owner.

The only time it could be used is if little Johnny brings his friends home after school while daddy is at work and finds daddy's loaded gun in the drawer and start playing with it.

Obviously, I'm not completely against "care and control" issues. The reason is because these type of "accidents" give gun grabbers the issues they need to raise valid concerns, which are then used as vehicles to add additional "pork" on. Rather than it be a a legislated law, however, it should be every gun owners common sense practice to store their guns not in immediate use safely.

27 posted on 08/15/2007 12:08:08 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: neverdem
Congress is on track to possibly pass the first federal gun control legislation since 1994.

Recall the excessively vehement gun control talk coming from the Left in 1994 as they anticipated their overwhelming victory in national elections, and the subsequent Right victory attributed to Newt but really due to gun grabbers.

28 posted on 08/15/2007 12:08:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: wastedyears

“Shall not be infringed.”

EXACTLY! The “right to bear arms” is NOT a right granted by the constitution. It is NOT a right granted by any government.
It IS a GOD given right we are born with and Article 2 in the bill of rights ONLY CONFIRMS the inherent right to “bear arms”.


29 posted on 08/15/2007 12:08:42 PM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: Cuttnhorse
Your experience isn't consistent across all states. When an FFL sets up a table at a show, they must do the 4473 paperwork on any firearms in their inventory. In many states, a "private" sale still has to be mediated by an FFL including background checks. In other states, a private sale can be conducted as you did it with a private, non-FFL seller.

While I like the freedom of the completely private sale, you do have a little "caveat emptor" issue. You don't know for certain whether the seller is the legal owner of the firearm or fencing stolen property. You also don't know if that firearm has been used in the commission of a crime prior to your purchase. Absent any paperwork to prove the date on which you became the owner, you might well become a suspect in possession of a firearm used in a criminal act.

30 posted on 08/15/2007 12:09:20 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Nathan Zachary
I keep all of my firearms locked up. Principally because my youngest son often invites "friends" into my home that I wouldn't trust in possession of a firearm. The ones loaded for personal defense are in 5 button, quick access boxes. That's enough to keep them from being stolen or handled by unauthorized visitors, but accessible enough to serve their intended purpose.
31 posted on 08/15/2007 12:12:48 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Puppage
The recent study by Garen Wintemute, director of the violence-prevention research program at the University of California, Davis, contends that police presence at the shows is too small to discourage illegal activity

Yeah, but the numbnut left out all the vendors and customers who are packing. As if the cops are the potential perpetrator's biggest worry at a gunshow!

32 posted on 08/15/2007 12:12:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: neverdem
Democrats don't get it. If they mess with OUR Second Amendment rights, they WILL pay a price.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

33 posted on 08/15/2007 12:15:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

“Congress is on track to possibly pass the first federal gun control legislation since 1994.”

Whenever the Republicans get into trouble, the Democrats always come along to bail them out.


34 posted on 08/15/2007 12:18:29 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Puppage
Depends on where you are. In North Dakota there is no requirement for background checks in the private sale of a firearm, nor any requirement that such transactions be routed through a dealer. Cash and carry, whether at a gun show or not.

FFL holders are subject of Federal Law.

In North Dakota and other states as well, the display of your CWP avoids waiting periods as well.

35 posted on 08/15/2007 12:19:10 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Puppage
So he broke the law. Doesn't mean that there ISN'T a law.

Nope...he didn't break the law...not in this state.

36 posted on 08/15/2007 12:21:54 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Smokin' Joe
North Dakota and other states as well, the display of your CWP avoids waiting periods as well

Same in CT.

37 posted on 08/15/2007 12:27:26 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: neverdem
"Jackson has also declared Aug. 28 -- the 44th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech at the March on Washington -- a national day of protest for tougher gun laws."

Great!
I'll wear my CELEBRATE DIVERSITY shirt that day!

38 posted on 08/15/2007 12:29:09 PM PDT by woollyone (whyquit.com ...if you think you can't quit, you're simply not informed yet.)
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To: woollyone
...and maybe I'll meet someone else wearing theirs too!...

don't let my GF know I posted this!
39 posted on 08/15/2007 12:31:19 PM PDT by woollyone (whyquit.com ...if you think you can't quit, you're simply not informed yet.)
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To: Myrddin
Absent any paperwork to prove the date on which you became the owner, you might well become a suspect in possession of a firearm used in a criminal act.

I suppose that's a chance one takes in this kind of transaction, although the same could be said about purchasing a firearm from any private citizen. This guy had about 30-rifles and hand guns on his table and went into a long description of this particular XD and how he had upgraded it to trinitron night sights, (which I really like). I guess I made the decision he was legit and I trusted him. He told me he would give me a bill of sale if I really wanted one, but hardly anyone asked for one. Next time, I'll probably insist on one.

Interestingly, I'm not a citizen of the state where I bought the pistol...was just visiting, but that didn't seem to bother anyone.

I guess the point is, while I don't agree with any restrictions concerning the sale of ANY legal product, I can see were the gun show critics get their ammunition, so to speak.

40 posted on 08/15/2007 12:32:18 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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