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The Two-Income Tax Trap (Tax Comparison 1970 and 2000 Adjusted For Inflation)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 14 August 2007 | TODD J. ZYWICKI

Posted on 08/14/2007 8:48:36 AM PDT by shrinkermd

Edited on 08/14/2007 8:53:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Neither the author of the book nor the author of this article notes that the culprit is payroll tax increases between 1970 and 2000. Medicare and Social security now take about 7% and a fraction from the worker and 7% and a fraction from the employer.

The claim that that average people pay little or no federal income tax does not take into account the extroardinary flat tax of almost 15% on a workers earned income.

In Minnesota the taxes are as follows. First for payroll taxes. Remember, employers withhold both state and federal income taxes as well as Social Security and Medicare.

For the average worker what is crucial for their understanding is know how high the Social Security and Medicare Taxes are.

Employer and Employee pay 6.2% of pretax wages for Social Security.

Employer and Employee pay 1.45% of pretax wages for Medicare.

And, the Medicare tax is unlimited while the Social Security tax stops at a gross income of $94,200.

Essentially the average worker is paying 15.3% of his gross wages as an enforced saving to pay for current retirees. This means the present generation is taxed for the older generation and everyone hopes that the generation following theirs can pay the freight for them as they had for their parents.

Even worse, in Minnesota we have a state income tax.

In Minnesota the rates are as follows: There are three rates: 0, low of 5.35% and high at 7.85%. These are steep. The low rate starts at $20,510 and the high rate starts at $67,360. FOR MINNESOTANS THE TOP RATE BEGINS AT $67,360—YOU ARE RICH IN THE VIEW OF THE STATE LEGISLATORS.

I have not added in sales, gasoline, luxury taxes nor the myriad of fees and real estate taxes the average person pays.

1 posted on 08/14/2007 8:48:41 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
So basically the government consumes between 50-75% (possibly more) of the average family's gross income.

And then families have to grovel before government officials to beg for some of that money back to pay for the children's college educations, which are skyrocketing every year.

2 posted on 08/14/2007 8:54:22 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: shrinkermd

3 posted on 08/14/2007 8:54:57 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: shrinkermd
Neither the author of the book nor the author of this article notes that the culprit is payroll tax increases between 1970 and 2000.

So if neither notes it, where did you get the information from?

4 posted on 08/14/2007 8:56:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (As heard on the Amish Radio Network! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1675029/posts)
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To: shrinkermd

Some of the other expenses (voluntary) that people have now that they didnt in the 70’s are monthly cell phone bills, internet access bills, huge cable bills, antivirus monthly computer bills, pay for radio service, lawn care by illegal aliens, pagers, satelitte dish fees, home warranty bills, huge credit card bills, etc...


5 posted on 08/14/2007 8:57:41 AM PDT by mriguy67
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To: Alex Murphy
Common knowledge. Anyone can look at their yearly tax statement or weekly payroll stub and tell what their payroll taxes are.
6 posted on 08/14/2007 8:58:39 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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The image “http://www.nospeedbumps.com/wp-images/government.bmp” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.
7 posted on 08/14/2007 9:00:01 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: george76

I like that graphic. It shows the truth and the unfortunate thing is that to a lot of people it seems like a good idea.


8 posted on 08/14/2007 9:02:24 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Everything you buy is double in cost because of the taxes and regulation down the distribution and production chain.
So, the govey takes half, and with what’s left you pay double.

The effective tax rate is 75%. You live on a quarter. If there were only Constitutional government, you would be four times richer. Your income would double, and prices would drop by half.

9 posted on 08/14/2007 9:09:20 AM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad you're not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: rabscuttle385

It would be higher if you factor in the payroll taxes your employer pays on your behalf. It’s a shell game to say that the employer is being taxed and not the employee. When determining employees salaries employers are very aware of the resulting tax liability, and act accordingly.

All taxes are paid ultimately by the American public. Even corporate income taxes.


10 posted on 08/14/2007 9:12:03 AM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: Leisler
My dad, who grew up in Romania, always told me that under the Communists, folks were left with just enough to scrape by. Everything else was taken.

It won't be long--especially if the Rats gain control of DC in 2008--before we are completely in that same situation.

11 posted on 08/14/2007 9:14:17 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: shrinkermd
Neither the author of the book nor the author of this article notes that the culprit is payroll tax increases between 1970 and 2000. Medicare and Social security now take about 7% and a fraction from the worker and 7% and a fraction from the employer.

The annual increase in the earnings cap for SS [Medicare has no cap], is more of the culprit than increases in the tax rate. In 1970 the earnings cap was $7,800. In 2000 it was $76,200 and today it is $97,500.

History of the OASDI contribution and benefit base

The Social Security & Medicare Tax Rates have not gone up as steeply. In 1970 the OASDI rate was 4.2% for the employee and HI was .350. From 1990 onwards, it is 6.2% and 1.45% respectively. You can bet that Congress will be pushing for another tax increase given the financial crisis both Medicare and SS are in.

12 posted on 08/14/2007 9:22:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Deut28

One tax that would not be borne by the US taxpayer is a tax on remittances from illegal aliens to Mexico.


13 posted on 08/14/2007 9:38:31 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: shrinkermd
Iin a general sense such arguments are are not entirely accurate, as they usually don't reflect the possibility of tax deferred savings in IRS, 401Ks and SEPs. Nor do they often attempt to assess the "value" of the income security of two independent incomes - including the fact that the loss - even short term - of both family incomes often means the loss of affordable health insurance at well - a major cause of personal bankruptcy, especially for "responsible" individuals.

In such cases a "tax-cut" on non-existent or greatly reduced income is not of much help in avoiding bankruptcy, I'd rather see modification of the tax code to encourage the second wage owner to save and invest (in the form of increased contribution limits to private managed investments vehicles such as IRAs) and to fund a program of privately managed "bridge" insurance against catastrophic health-case costs for families of previously employed individuals who are out of work but seeking employment, with coverage costs based on previous work history.

14 posted on 08/14/2007 10:08:51 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: kabar

Good Post. Links are wonderful. Thanks.


15 posted on 08/14/2007 10:21:01 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Including the Payroll tax as a 15% “flat tax on earned income” is misleading unless you take the position that SS and Medicare will be canceled without paying any benefits to the contributor.

SS/Medicare is a separate tax and a separate trust fund (even if it is full of IOU’s, it is still a separate trust fund) that buys an insurance plan which “guarantees” benefits in return for the insurance premiums paid.

In fact, the rate of return on your SS insurance “investment” goes from about 10% if you earn minimum wage down to a -2% if you earn at or above the SS earnings cutoff.

An individual with an income up to about $30K will do about as well as if the money was put in an annuity. Up to $50K/yr, he will on average get back all of the money contributed to SS, like he stuffed it in his mattress. Not a good rate of return, but he’ll get it back. Above $50K, he’ll get a negative rate of return.

You could argue that all government taxes give back benefits to the people in the form of roads, security, judicial system, etc. and SS is no different. But the SS benefit is tied directly to the amount contributed, so I would argue that it is really a government mandated savings plan and should not be counted as a “regressive flat tax on earned income.”


16 posted on 08/14/2007 10:25:48 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Rick_Michael

I wonder why they predict Interest Expense to fall so dramatically (to almost nothing) between 2010 and 2040.


17 posted on 08/14/2007 10:56:22 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Ask not what you can expect from life; ask what life expects from you. -- Viktor Frankl)
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To: Kellis91789
You could argue that all government taxes give back benefits to the people in the form of roads, security, judicial system, etc. and SS is no different. But the SS benefit is tied directly to the amount contributed, so I would argue that it is really a government mandated savings plan and should not be counted as a “regressive flat tax on earned income.”

That argument assumes that you are guaranteed to get the money you put in back. With Social Security, you are not, and if you are under 30, you're guaranteed NOT to.

18 posted on 08/14/2007 11:08:20 AM PDT by zendari
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To: Kellis91789
In fact, the rate of return on your SS insurance “investment” goes from about 10% if you earn minimum wage down to a -2% if you earn at or above the SS earnings cutoff.

A person could pay into SS for 50 years, die before age 67 and if single with no dependents, get nothing back except for a small burial allowance. Your contributions [taxes] don't belong to you per Flemming vs Nestor

Like most Ponzi schemes, those receiving SS now are getting back much more than they have paid in. That won't be the case for the under 30s.

19 posted on 08/14/2007 11:12:45 AM PDT by kabar
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But the SS benefit is tied directly to the amount contributed,

Not so. It is based on your average earnings, not contributions.

20 posted on 08/14/2007 11:15:03 AM PDT by kabar
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