Posted on 08/13/2007 3:25:13 PM PDT by SE Mom
If you listen to folks who oppose immigration and border enforcement, you get the feeling they think we put locks on our doors to keep everybody out. The truth is we have locks so we can choose who comes in.
An example of what happens when we don’t make the choice took place August 4th when three Newark, New Jersey, college students with great promise were executed, gangland style. The killers’ ringleader was apparently an illegal alien indicted twice in 2007 for felonies, including the rape of a kindergarten-aged girl.
Why would such a person be set free instead of being handed over to authorities for deportation? The answer is that Newark is a “sanctuary city” which bans cooperation between local officials and federal immigration officials. More than 60 sanctuary zones, including 30 of America’s largest cities, provide a national networked haven for foreign and organized criminals who recruit and operate outside those areas as well. These sanctuaries include Cambridge, Massachusetts; Los Angeles, California; Detroit, Michigan; Chicago, Illinois; Austin and Houston, Texas; Denver, Colorado; and New York City.
The consequences of “sanctuary cities” may be most obvious in the city that became the first in 1979 — Los Angeles. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, a confidential California Department of Justice study from the mid-1990’s showed then that at least 60 percent of the members of L.A.’s most violent gangs, with membership in the tens of thousands, were illegal aliens. Of all outstanding murder warrants in Los Angeles, 95 percent are for illegal aliens. Frustrated police say they are powerless to pick up even well-known, previously deported felons.
(Excerpt) Read more at fredfile.imwithfred.com ...
____________________________________________
And you can tell who the violent felon is how, other than waiting until after they murder, assault or rape? According to you all we have to do is tough it out while the violent among your pals destroy more American lives and families, get caught and convicted, then all will be well.
How many more is acceptable to you? I know that you won't answer because the only acceptable answer is zero and the only way to get there is to send your pals home, something you will never admit.
The scumbag who choked the life out of Adrienne Shelley was a day-laborer, somebody you may have hired yourself. Up until the day he put his hands on her throat and squeezed until she passed out, then kept squeezing until she was dead he was one of those whom you champion.
Who is the next illegal darling who will kill and who will be his victim?
A Guatemalan man who is in the United States illegally was arrested early Tuesday on hit-and-run charges after a traffic accident that killed two Baltimore-area men and injured three other highway construction workers on the side of U.S. 29 in Montgomery County, police said.
This is in your neck of the woods, right? Are you going to the funerals or are you going to help raise bail?
To think you were in law enforcement and carried a firearm...
So you’re saying that we should ignore the misdemeanor crimes of illegals. It’s only the felony crimes that should concern us.
Should everyone get a “pass” for their misdemeanor crimes in your high-minded world, or just the illegals?
Would you like your last post to me be broadcast on BOR? Would you accept an invitation to go on and defend your position that "misdemeanor or felony...no difference...your ass is out of here"?
LOL!
That’s truly pathetic — I feel especially bad for the high school kids who can’t find work.
I live in Pittsburgh — we’re just now starting to run into the beginnings of issues with illegal immigrants. It’s a safe bet that it isn’t a top issue for many folks around here (although I’m sure it would be if the steel mills were still in operation). My brother lives in Phoenix, so between his accounts and those I read online I’m aware of how out-of-hand things are in many parts of the country. And I’m outraged by the hidden costs, and by the failure of politicians to enforce our laws just on general principle.
I still believe that if politicians start getting tossed out of office in large numbers based on this issue, things will change. Commentary like Thompson’s can only help.
Got it.
Got it.
My, aren't we the smarmy piece of work today.
Don Joe... it's depressing to have to take time to explain the difference between a misdemeanor (being in this country illegally)and a violent felony (rape, murder, assault. The ignorant should be pitied...and the ones with a bigoted xenophobia should be ignored.Should you be pitied or ignored?
It's depressing to watch you spin your little tootsies trying to reframe the discussion away from your pathological embrace of the concept of "law-abiding illegals."
Fortunately -- unlike the farmer a couple of miles away from my home -- I haven't been murdered by your dahling illegals (who are only here to murder the Americans that Americans won't murder).
I have, however, been a repeat victim of what to you is merely "petty crime.
I guess to a bigsh*t like you, the fact that I ONLY lost several thousand dollars to "these good people" is trivial.
To me, however -- along with the fact that I live within walking distance of at least one murder victim (more than one, if you take "Mexican on Mexican" murder into account) is all the reason I need to make sure I always have my .45 on my person while walking around my property, and while inside my home.
The other day I realized that it's become so much a part of me that I sometimes forget I'm wearing it.
It's a hell of a way to have to live. I didn't move out to the country for that, I assure you. I don't LIKE having to "pack heat" just to walk out to my barn (the last walk that other farmer took, when he never made it all the way to his barn).
I don't LIKE having to live in an occupied zone.
I'd MUCH rather pack my Nikon. I'd MUCH rather not having to go into "mode" every time a car full of Mexicans pulls into my driveway.
But, it beats being "the next guy" to end up in the newspaper -- as "poor farmer |_____|, who left a wife and son..."
Meanwhile, you can take your condescending attitude and shove it... right up next to your head.
I realize of all American you have it worst.
Simple logistics.
It's a mess. I'm sorry.
It's not like that however for the nation as a whole.
And I will not feel guilty that we're all not suffering like you.
This emigration is bigger than me and you. Peace.
*ping*
We're not talking about immigration.
I have nothing against immigrants. All four of my grandparents were immigrants.
We're talking about an invasion.
We have a significant number of invaders, here illegally, participating in our elections -- to such an extent that they are pandered-to as a constituency.
We are in a very real way an occupied land.
That some have gamed a way to make money off of the situation does NOT in the least way mitigate the situation, anymore than the ability of some to profit under the Vichy government legitimized the German occupation.
There were plenty of French who got rich off the black market. They could never have made that kind of money had not the Germans invaded.
Does that make the German invasion a benefit to France?
The analogy is no stretch.
I will close by reiterating that we are NOT discussing immigration. We are discussing the criminal invasion of a sovereign nation -- and the rationalization of that invasion, by those who personally benefit from it.
There is a word for those who sell out their own country, in order to benefit from trade with an invader. I'll leave the naming of that word as an exercize for the reader.
Go here to find out what you can to do make sure criminal aliens get deported:
Don't let more Americans be victims of our bipartisan criminal class's Open Border policies.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Thompson wants to get rid of the bad guys and stop the revolving door.
But there's a reason this government turned a blind eye and continues to do so.
Being prosperous benefits everybody up and down the line.
I used "immigration" because well...there aren't any "invasion" threads.
If you'd rather talk about the economics of it, you'll need to show me a bigger gun. ;^)
But there's a reason this government turned a blind eye and continues to do so.
Yup. There are tons of deep-pocketed "with-clout" constituents, with a very powerful lobby. They have the best government money can buy -- and there's NO way for the likes of me to compete in that auction.
Being prosperous benefits everybody up and down the line.
Um, WHO "being prosperous" are we talking about? I'm sure as heck not prosperous. And given that I am in the late stage of my life, in very poor health, I don't think I'm ever going to be prosperous, unless I somehow live long enough to finish my next book, and make a LOT more royalties off it than I did my last book. Other than that, I mainly hope to keep my head above water, hope "those good people" leave my goats, chickens, and crops alone (I've given up on my multi-thousand dollar blueberry "patch" -- they picked the damn thing clean, several years in a row -- the cops shrugged their shoulders, admitted they knew who it was (the illegals), and, were pretty frank about the fact that there wasn't anything they could do about it. So, I let it get overgrown with weeds, to the point that there ain't ten ounces of berries in all two hundred row feet of those 8 foot tall bushes), and I try not to think about it. You wouldn't believe what it did to my blood pressure, watching them ripen, hoping to get some of them for myself, and then one night, *boom*, all gone.)
As to SOME people "being prosperous" benefitting everyone, no, I don't buy that. If I did, I'd have to accept the notion that the Mafia was a net benefit to the country, because THEY "got properous" using methods that as I see it aren't that far removed from those who cash in on "the new slave market."
I used "immigration" because well...there aren't any "invasion" threads.
In this context, isn't that like saying, "I used Drain-O because we were out of seasoned salt"?
If you'd rather talk about the economics of it, you'll need to show me a bigger gun. ;^)
Hey, it's a double-stack (P14-45) Does that count for anything? :)
I didn’t say that there was no difference between a misdemeanor or a felony. Of course, in your warped world that honors illegal invaders and blames three American college kids for their own murders because they were somewhere where they shouldn’t have been, I can see how you’d concoct such a conclusion.
However, I’d be happy to debate anyone...even someone with more to offer than you...on the notion that regardless what crime an illegal is caught committing, they’re assess should be out of here.
Don’t sell DCP short. Check his post library. It was just a few days ago when he literally placed the blames for the murder of these three kids at their own feee, saying that they were murdered...if you can believe this logic...were in the wrong place.
In other words, the kids got killed because they were in the wrong neighborhood at 2:00 by a guy who was IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY...and he says THEY are the ones who were where they shouldn’t be.
It’s not that rational thought is the missing factor, here. This isn't just "twisting facts" or previous statements. This is way beyond such a simple shortage.
(a). Any citizen knowingly employing, sheltering, concealing, or otherwise assisting (other than emergency medical care) an illegal alien shall suffer forfeiture of all property, real and personal, all assets, businesses, business licenses, and any other thing except his/her physical freedom and two changes of clothing; after which he/she may seek employment and start over.
(b). Any non-citizen legally resident, acting as described in para (a) above, shall suffer the same penalty and be deported to his/her country of origin within 48 hours.
(c). Any public official, in any branch of government, at any level, who under color of clemency, legal discretion, or other official privilege, shall obstruct, alter, or modify the swift application and extent of paras (a) and (b) to any degree soever, shall suffer the same penalty and be summarily removed from office.
(That’s to keep judges from saying “ooooo, that’s too harsh” and governors etc. from handing out pardons to business-owner buddies.)
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.