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To: Coleus

“The Unalienable Right to life is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and the 5th and 14th amendments of the US Constitution. The federal government should ban abortion”

No. Find for me expressly in the Delcaration, the 5th, and 14th one mention of the yet born. Find it in Roe v Wade for that matter. In short, find for me outside of state jurisprudence(where this issue should be decided) rights to the yet born. In other words, find for me in anything in federal jurisprudence that defines what life is. The states have all kinds of things to say about it, god love em. And be careful what you wish for. Do you really want the federal government defining what life is?


44 posted on 08/12/2007 9:49:38 PM PDT by Delacon
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you! :)


46 posted on 08/12/2007 9:59:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell (I'm a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order. - Mike Pence)
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To: Delacon; EternalVigilance; Pinkbell; Coleus; MHGinTN; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback
The definition of life should not be that complex, and hence should not even be a topic of discussion: You have what in philosophy is termed a "substance" - an organic whole which develops dynamically according to some intrinsic principle that begins at the completion of the process of conception. The dynamic process itself answers the question about life. That life is human from the get-go. How so? In a rationalistic sense, those of us who are born and aged attribute characteristics of "humanness" as it begins to look more and more like us. Our attribution, however, does not change the objective, empirical fact of humanness. And that is the problem: some people would shape reality by their impressions.

It is "self-evident" (to borrow language from our Founders) from past experience that a pig, plant, a rock, a Ford Explorer, are not human, do not contain the same intrinsic law-like principle of development into a human being. A pig embryo does not contain the princple to develop into a human being.

Therefore, any imposition of some artificial rubicon of "personhood" from non-personhood must be rooted in subjective impressions not garnered from objective scientific observation. Such impositions stand in opposition to the smooth, dynamic nature of the development itself, which contains no sudden jumps. There is no sound reason apart from nefarious utilitarian ends (read "sexual revolution") to formulate abortion policy in a manner that differs from that nature.

47 posted on 08/12/2007 10:07:02 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com Don't let the press pick our candidates)
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To: Delacon

Find for me expressly in the Delcaration, the 5th, and 14th one mention of the yet born. Find it in Roe v Wade for that matter. >>>

you can say the same thing about the New Testament. So I guess that abortion is OK since, to the best of my knowledge, Jesus and the Pauline letters never mentioned abortion and the unborn.

Since you say “the states have all kinds of things to say about it,” tell me what NY and NJ state say about the unborn and when life starts? Thank you.


48 posted on 08/12/2007 10:30:03 PM PDT by Coleus (Pro Deo et Patria)
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