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To: Pinkbell; Gelato
Thanks for the ping.

The right to life is God-given, and is therefore unalienable.

Man did not grant the gift of life, and man has no right to take it from the innocent. That includes individuals AND states. The Founders recognized that this was the one of the keystones underlying our form of governance.

Those who are saying, "overturn Roe and return the abortion issue to the states" are making several grievious errors.

A) They are making inalienable rights subject to the whims of particular states, thereby completely negating the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They are destroying the union - and the explicit reasons for our union.

B) They are removing the only possible moral, intellectual, and legal arguments that make it possible to overturn Roe in the first place. Even the judges who decided Roe admitted that if an unborn child were a "person" that they would therefore have the protections provided in the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments.

C) Even if, lacking the proper arguments against Roe, you were able by pure brute political force to overturn Roe, they are removing the only possible moral, intellectual, and legal arguments for ending abortion in the several states.

D) They are opposing the Reagan GOP pro-life platform that lays out that unborn babies are persons and are therefore deserving of Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

E) Even if they got what they say they want, most abortions that occur today would continue to occur. So, in a practical sense, this position can hardly be called pro-life.

Fact is, the Stephen Douglas-like states' rights position vis a vis abortion is a complete copout. The politicians that use it are telling me that they will do little to stop abortion, and that they really don't care that much if the practice actually ends or not.

The securing of Life and Liberty for our posterity, the unborn and even the as-yet unconceived, is at the heart of the Preamble to the Constitution. And the Preamble is the laying-out of the very premise of our Constitution.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

36 posted on 08/12/2007 8:32:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (When Romney got done in MA, there were more Green Party candidates than Republican candidates...)
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To: EternalVigilance

You are welcome. Great points!


39 posted on 08/12/2007 8:52:36 PM PDT by Pinkbell (I'm a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, in that order. - Mike Pence)
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To: EternalVigilance
A) They are making inalienable rights subject to the whims of particular states, thereby completely negating the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They are destroying the union - and the explicit reasons for our union.

Hence for very similar reasons you had the War Between the States.

Even those of us engaging in reasonable discourse must ourselves enjoy the right to life.

Reagan summed it up this way: "I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."

This is a no-brainer, folks.

45 posted on 08/12/2007 9:52:39 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com Don't let the press pick our candidates)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you for your clarity.


56 posted on 08/13/2007 6:06:02 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue-it is the business of all humanity.)
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