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1998 was Colder than 1934...in 2002? (GISS Data Falsehood Before the Recent Scandal? FR EXCLUSIVE)
Web Archive and GISS ^ | 08/12/2007 | Ultra Sonic 007

Posted on 08/12/2007 10:38:32 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

I've done some digging into the recent scandal over how GISS has quietly changed its data to reflect the fact that 1998 is no longer the warmest year on American record.

However, thanks to the resources of the Wayback Machine of WebArchive, I've discovered that the 1998 data has not been quite so high for a while.

This is the Wayback Machine archive of GISS's data page, home to the climate data that's been the subject of the recent controversy.

Let's recall that the newly reevaluted figures are as follows:

Contiguous 48 U.S. Surface Air Temperature Anomaly (C)
------------------------------------------------------
year    Annual_Mean  5-year_Mean
---------------------------------
 1880      -.26      *  
 1881       .29      *  
 1882       .07      -.24
 1883      -.68      -.30
 1884      -.63      -.41
 1885      -.54      -.46
 1886      -.28      -.39
 1887      -.17      -.21
 1888      -.32      -.06
 1889       .28      -.04
 1890       .20      -.11
 1891      -.20      -.19
 1892      -.51      -.21
 1893      -.72      -.38
 1894       .17      -.30
 1895      -.66      -.22
 1896       .19      -.10
 1897      -.08      -.22
 1898      -.15       .03
 1899      -.41       .00
 1900       .57      -.01
 1901       .05      -.11
 1902      -.13      -.13
 1903      -.65      -.34
 1904      -.48      -.35
 1905      -.47      -.37
 1906      -.02      -.21
 1907      -.24      -.17
 1908       .14      -.02
 1909      -.27       .02
 1910       .28      -.11
 1911       .17      -.15
 1912      -.88      -.08
 1913      -.03      -.16
 1914       .09      -.29
 1915      -.15      -.33
 1916      -.50      -.31
 1917     -1.06      -.35
 1918       .06      -.40
 1919      -.10      -.07
 1920      -.41       .17
 1921      1.15       .15
 1922       .18       .02
 1923      -.07       .17
 1924      -.74      -.05
 1925       .36      -.05
 1926       .04      -.02
 1927       .15       .01
 1928       .07      -.03
 1929      -.58       .18
 1930       .16       .15
 1931      1.08       .27
 1932       .00       .63
 1933       .68       .61
 1934      1.25       .44
 1935       .04       .41
 1936       .21       .45
 1937      -.13       .37
 1938       .86       .36
 1939       .85       .45
 1940       .03       .49
 1941       .61       .35
 1942       .09       .21
 1943       .17       .19
 1944       .14       .22
 1945      -.03       .22
 1946       .72       .17
 1947       .10       .18
 1948      -.08       .13
 1949       .20      -.10
 1950      -.28      -.05
 1951      -.42       .14
 1952       .32       .27
 1953       .90       .32
 1954       .85       .47
 1955      -.03       .43
 1956       .29       .26
 1957       .14       .13
 1958       .06       .08
 1959       .17       .02
 1960      -.24      -.01
 1961      -.02       .02
 1962      -.02      -.03
 1963       .19      -.01
 1964      -.07      -.05
 1965      -.11      -.07
 1966      -.24      -.16
 1967      -.10      -.19
 1968      -.28      -.19
 1969      -.23      -.16
 1970      -.11      -.21
 1971      -.10      -.11
 1972      -.35      -.03
 1973       .24      -.05
 1974       .15      -.08
 1975      -.20       .06
 1976      -.25      -.09
 1977       .37      -.24
 1978      -.52      -.16
 1979      -.60       .02
 1980       .22      -.12
 1981       .64      -.02
 1982      -.36       .10
 1983      -.01      -.03
 1984       .00      -.01
 1985      -.42       .22
 1986       .73       .29
 1987       .83       .25
 1988       .32       .51
 1989      -.19       .50
 1990       .87       .40
 1991       .69       .25
 1992       .30       .38
 1993      -.44       .27
 1994       .46       .10
 1995       .34       .05
 1996      -.17       .38
 1997       .03       .47
 1998      1.23       .51
 1999       .93       .69
 2000       .52       .79
 2001       .76       .65
 2002       .53       .55
 2003       .50       .58
 2004       .44       .66
 2005       .69       * 
 2006      1.13       * 
---------------------------------

As you can see, 1998's temperature variation is smaller than 1934's, meaning the the temperature anamoly in 1934 was greater than 1998's: and since they're both compared to the same relative mean (1951-1980, according to the graphs page of GISTEMP of GISS.), then 1934's recorded temperature is greater than 1998's. With this in mind, you can see that 1921 is third at 1.15, with 2006 in 4th at 1.13, with 1931 at fifth at 1.08.

Now, we've been hearing that the data has shown that 1998 was previously higher. Most sources I've read, such as Global Warming Hoax have pointed out that the figures before the reevaluation pointed 1998 to be 1.24, with 1934 at 1.23.

But the data pulled from the Wayback Machine Web Archives paints a different picture. Recall that these are archived pages. They cannot reflect the reevaluated figures because they are separated from GISS. They cannot be altered; they are pictures, snapshots of a particular point in time. With that in mind, keep on reading.

Let's go back to September 01, 2006. Amidst the menagerie of broken images, you can click on the DATA & IMAGES toolbar up top. Then go to GISS Surface Air Temperature Analysis. Now Graphs. Scroll down Annual Mean Temperature Change in the United States and click on tabular data. What do we get?

Contiguous 48 U.S. Surface Air Temperature Anomaly (C)
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year    Annual_Mean  5-year_Mean
---------------------------------
 1880      -.41       .13
 1881       .15      -.14
 1882      -.04      -.34
 1883      -.70      -.36
 1884      -.73      -.44
 1885      -.50      -.48
 1886      -.25      -.39
 1887      -.21      -.19
 1888      -.28      -.05
 1889       .28      -.04
 1890       .23      -.10
 1891      -.24      -.17
 1892      -.47      -.21
 1893      -.66      -.39
 1894       .11      -.31
 1895      -.69      -.24
 1896       .17      -.14
 1897      -.12      -.25
 1898      -.17       .00
 1899      -.43      -.02
 1900       .54      -.01
 1901       .07      -.11
 1902      -.09      -.11
 1903      -.65      -.31
 1904      -.41      -.34
 1905      -.47      -.37
 1906      -.06      -.21
 1907      -.22      -.18
 1908       .11      -.02
 1909      -.25       .01
 1910       .31      -.12
 1911       .11      -.17
 1912      -.89      -.11
 1913      -.13      -.21
 1914       .03      -.33
 1915      -.16      -.36
 1916      -.51      -.32
 1917     -1.00      -.36
 1918       .02      -.42
 1919      -.15      -.10
 1920      -.45       .12
 1921      1.08       .10
 1922       .11      -.01
 1923      -.09       .15
 1924      -.70      -.05
 1925       .38      -.04
 1926       .04      -.01
 1927       .16       .02
 1928       .05      -.03
 1929      -.54       .16
 1930       .11       .12
 1931      1.00       .24
 1932      -.01       .60
 1933       .66       .58
 1934      1.24       .42
 1935       .05       .40
 1936       .18       .43
 1937      -.12       .34
 1938       .78       .34
 1939       .80       .41
 1940       .04       .45
 1941       .54       .32
 1942       .07       .18
 1943       .16       .17
 1944       .09       .20
 1945      -.01       .20
 1946       .67       .15
 1947       .09       .17
 1948      -.08       .13
 1949       .18      -.08
 1950      -.23      -.04
 1951      -.38       .15
 1952       .30       .28
 1953       .88       .31
 1954       .82       .44
 1955      -.05       .41
 1956       .28       .25
 1957       .14       .12
 1958       .07       .09
 1959       .16       .03
 1960      -.22       .00
 1961       .00       .02
 1962      -.02      -.03
 1963       .19       .00
 1964      -.08      -.05
 1965      -.12      -.07
 1966      -.24      -.16
 1967      -.10      -.19
 1968      -.27      -.19
 1969      -.23      -.16
 1970      -.12      -.22
 1971      -.10      -.11
 1972      -.36      -.04
 1973       .25      -.05
 1974       .15      -.08
 1975      -.20       .07
 1976      -.23      -.09
 1977       .36      -.23
 1978      -.51      -.15
 1979      -.58       .03
 1980       .22      -.12
 1981       .65      -.01
 1982      -.36       .10
 1983       .01      -.02
 1984       .01      -.01
 1985      -.41       .23
 1986       .73       .30
 1987       .84       .26
 1988       .33       .52
 1989      -.17       .51
 1990       .88       .41
 1991       .69       .26
 1992       .31       .38
 1993      -.43       .28
 1994       .47       .10
 1995       .35       .05
 1996      -.18       .38
 1997       .05       .48
 1998      1.24       .54
 1999       .94       .55
 2000       .65       .88
 2001       .89       .76
 2002       .67       .68
 2003       .65       .75
 2004       .54         *
 2005       .99         *
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Now we see that 1998 and 1934 are tied at 1.24. Not reflective of the truth, but different than the spouted line that 1998 was hotter than 1934. 1921 and 1931 are much colder in this snapshot; 1.08 and 1.00 respectively. You'll notice that one big jump is 2005: at .99, its reevaluated figure of .69 is a tremendous fall.

Things get odder as we go further back in time, however. August 03, 2004. Follow the same path I described above to the data for U.S. temperature, up to 2003. Here's where things get REALLY interesting.

Contiguous 48 U.S. Surface Air Temperature Anomaly (C)
------------------------------------------------------
year    Annual_Mean  5-year_Mean
---------------------------------
1880        -.41         .13
1881         .15        -.14
1882        -.04        -.34
1883        -.70        -.36
1884        -.73        -.44
1885        -.50        -.48
1886        -.25        -.39
1887        -.21        -.19
1888        -.28        -.05
1889         .28        -.04
1890         .23        -.10
1891        -.24        -.17
1892        -.47        -.21
1893        -.66        -.39
1894         .11        -.31
1895        -.69        -.24
1896         .17        -.14
1897        -.12        -.25
1898        -.17         .00
1899        -.43        -.02
1900         .54        -.01
1901         .07        -.11
1902        -.09        -.11
1903        -.65        -.31
1904        -.41        -.34
1905        -.47        -.37
1906        -.06        -.21
1907        -.22        -.18
1908         .11        -.02
1909        -.25         .01
1910         .31        -.12
1911         .11        -.17
1912        -.89        -.11
1913        -.13        -.21
1914         .03        -.33
1915        -.16        -.36
1916        -.51        -.32
1917       -1.00        -.36
1918         .02        -.42
1919        -.15        -.10
1920        -.45         .12
1921        1.08         .10
1922         .11        -.01
1923        -.09         .15
1924        -.70        -.05
1925         .38        -.04
1926         .04        -.01
1927         .16         .02
1928         .05        -.03
1929        -.54         .16
1930         .11         .12
1931        1.00         .24
1932        -.01         .60
1933         .66         .58
1934        1.24         .42
1935         .05         .40
1936         .18         .43
1937        -.12         .34
1938         .78         .34
1939         .80         .41
1940         .04         .45
1941         .54         .32
1942         .07         .18
1943         .16         .17
1944         .09         .20
1945        -.01         .20
1946         .67         .15
1947         .09         .17
1948        -.08         .13
1949         .18        -.08
1950        -.23        -.04
1951        -.38         .15
1952         .30         .28
1953         .88         .31
1954         .82         .44
1955        -.05         .41
1956         .28         .25
1957         .14         .12
1958         .07         .09
1959         .16         .03
1960        -.22         .00
1961         .00         .03
1962         .00        -.03
1963         .19        -.01
1964        -.10        -.05
1965        -.13        -.07
1966        -.22        -.17
1967        -.08        -.19
1968        -.30        -.19
1969        -.21        -.17
1970        -.13        -.22
1971        -.11        -.11
1972        -.32        -.03
1973         .23        -.05
1974         .18        -.08
1975        -.22         .05
1976        -.26        -.09
1977         .35        -.24
1978        -.49        -.15
1979        -.58         .03
1980         .23        -.11
1981         .64        -.02
1982        -.35         .10
1983        -.03        -.03
1984         .02        -.01
1985        -.40         .21
1986         .71         .28
1987         .76         .25
1988         .32         .50
1989        -.15         .49
1990         .85         .40
1991         .65         .25
1992         .30         .38
1993        -.40         .28
1994         .48         .12
1995         .36         .07
1996        -.14         .39
1997         .05         .49
1998        1.20         .54
1999         .95         .75
2000         .65         .83
2001         .89         .68
2002         .45           *
2003         .48           *
---------------------------------

Hold up. 1998 is now at 1.20. This puts it BEHIND 1934 as the hottest year on record, which is still at 1.24. As a matter of fact, in this archived page, 2002 and 2003 (.45, and .48 respectively) are all COLDER than the reevaluated figures show (.53, and .59 respectively). As another oddity, 1999 and 2001 are both hotter in the archived figures than they are in reevaluated data(compare .95 to .93 for 1999, and .89 to .76 for 2001). More and more changes abound, hotter and colder all around. What gives?

The most glowing difference nonetheless remains the change in data for 1998. It is colder than 1934.

And as we go back to the GISS page as archived on October 16, 2002, we see that the tabular data for U.S. temperatures goes only as far as 1999. Let's compare again.

Contiguous 48 U.S. Surface Air Temperature Anomaly (C)
------------------------------------------------------
year    Annual_Mean  5-year_Mean
---------------------------------
1880        -.41         .13
1881         .15        -.14
1882        -.04        -.34
1883        -.70        -.36
1884        -.73        -.44
1885        -.50        -.48
1886        -.25        -.39
1887        -.21        -.19
1888        -.28        -.05
1889         .28        -.04
1890         .23        -.10
1891        -.24        -.17
1892        -.47        -.21
1893        -.66        -.39
1894         .11        -.31
1895        -.69        -.24
1896         .17        -.14
1897        -.12        -.25
1898        -.17         .00
1899        -.43        -.02
1900         .54        -.01
1901         .07        -.11
1902        -.09        -.11
1903        -.65        -.31
1904        -.41        -.34
1905        -.47        -.37
1906        -.06        -.21
1907        -.22        -.18
1908         .11        -.02
1909        -.25         .01
1910         .31        -.12
1911         .11        -.17
1912        -.89        -.11
1913        -.13        -.21
1914         .03        -.33
1915        -.16        -.36
1916        -.51        -.32
1917       -1.00        -.36
1918         .02        -.42
1919        -.15        -.10
1920        -.45         .12
1921        1.08         .10
1922         .11        -.01
1923        -.09         .15
1924        -.70        -.05
1925         .38        -.04
1926         .04        -.01
1927         .16         .02
1928         .05        -.03
1929        -.54         .16
1930         .11         .12
1931        1.00         .24
1932        -.01         .60
1933         .66         .58
1934        1.24         .42
1935         .05         .40
1936         .18         .43
1937        -.12         .34
1938         .78         .34
1939         .80         .41
1940         .04         .45
1941         .54         .32
1942         .07         .18
1943         .16         .17
1944         .09         .20
1945        -.01         .20
1946         .67         .15
1947         .09         .17
1948        -.08         .13
1949         .18        -.08
1950        -.23        -.04
1951        -.38         .15
1952         .30         .28
1953         .88         .31
1954         .82         .44
1955        -.05         .41
1956         .28         .25
1957         .14         .12
1958         .07         .09
1959         .16         .03
1960        -.22         .00
1961         .00         .03
1962         .00        -.03
1963         .19        -.01
1964        -.10        -.05
1965        -.13        -.07
1966        -.22        -.17
1967        -.08        -.19
1968        -.30        -.19
1969        -.21        -.17
1970        -.13        -.22
1971        -.11        -.11
1972        -.32        -.03
1973         .23        -.05
1974         .18        -.08
1975        -.22         .05
1976        -.26        -.09
1977         .35        -.24
1978        -.49        -.15
1979        -.58         .03
1980         .23        -.11
1981         .64        -.02
1982        -.35         .10
1983        -.03        -.03
1984         .02        -.01
1985        -.40         .21
1986         .71         .28
1987         .76         .25
1988         .32         .50
1989        -.15         .49
1990         .85         .40
1991         .65         .25
1992         .30         .38
1993        -.40         .28
1994         .48         .12
1995         .36         .07
1996        -.14         .39
1997         .05         .49
1998        1.20           *
1999         .95           *
---------------------------------

1998 remains at 1.20. 1934 is still the hottest year on record in America...and all before this latest hubbub over altered data.

So what does this say?

Considering James Hansen's refusal to reveal the algorithms used to originally calculate the faulty data, this speaks of not just an effort to hide NASA/GISS's screw up (especially considering the media silence on this), but of a blatant, outright falsehood that's been perpetrated over the last several years.

1998, until now, was claimed to be the hottest year on record. That claim was made using faulty data. And yet the faulty data that this claim was made on says something different altogether!

It says a lot about the character of the pushers of manmade global warming when both the truth (the reevaluated data) and the lie (the archived data) both say that they're wrong. Yikes.


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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Nice work.....this is getting to be fun!!!"
What the heck, Ernie. A little fun is good for the soul.
61 posted on 08/13/2007 4:44:13 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Hunter in 2008)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

You done good. *applause*


62 posted on 08/13/2007 8:47:27 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

Thanks E. I’m having a Sex Pistols flashback...


63 posted on 08/13/2007 10:46:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, August 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: cogitator

I’d like your perspective on this.


64 posted on 08/16/2007 3:27:44 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
I’d like your perspective on this.

Sure. When and where did NASA GISS say that 1998 was warmer than 1934? (I'm not talking about NOAA; NASA GISS)

There's my perspective for you. Here's some help:

Whither U.S. Climate?

"The U.S. has warmed during the past century, but the warming hardly exceeds year-to-year variability. Indeed, in the U.S. the warmest decade was the 1930s and the warmest year was 1934." (written in 1999)

Hansen, J.E., R. Ruedy, Mki. Sato, M. Imhoff, W. Lawrence, D. Easterling, T. Peterson, and T. Karl, 2001: A closer look at United States and global surface temperature change. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 23947-23963, doi:10.1029/2001JD000354.

"The U.S. annual (January-December) mean temperature is slightly warmer in 1934 than in 1998 in the GISS analysis (Plate 6). This contrasts with the USHCN data, which has 1998 as the warmest year in the century. In both cases the difference between 1934 and 1998 mean temperatures is a few hundredths of a degree."

It appears to me that there is still a LOT (I mean a LOT, I mean a TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, I mean a MAJOR, SIGNIFICANT, LARGE, STUPENDOUS, ASTONOMAZING, STUPEFYING, I-WOULDN'T-BELIEVE-PEOPLE-COULD-BE-SO-DUMB-UNLESS-I-WITNESSED-IT-MYSELF)

of confusion between the difference of the word "GLOBAL", and the terms "United States" or "U.S."

It has always been claimed, and will always be claimed, and will never change until a new record is set, that 1998 was the warmest year, GLOBALLY, ever recorded in the standard instrumental record, which titularly begins in the 1880s. I don't try to remember the official start year. NASA GISS never claimed, ever, ever, ever, ever, that 1998 was warmer than 1934 in the UNITED STATES. They clearly say that uncertainty and variability is such that no new temperature record year could really be claimed until the annual temperature anomaly exceeded 1934 by 0.1 C or more, not 0.01, not 0.02, not 0.03, not 0.04... etc. all the way up to 0.09.

Finalmente, my own vanity post on this:

A little perspective on the U.S. and global temperature records

In addition to what I wrote to post, my follow-up posting #69 has both a plot and a link to other plots of interest.

65 posted on 08/16/2007 4:13:52 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
I should've included the rest of the quote from the paper:

"The main reason that 1998 is relatively cooler in the GISS analysis [compared to USHCN] is its larger adjustment for urban warming. In comparing temperatures of years separated by 60 or 70 years the uncertainties in various adjustments (urban warming, station history adjustments, etc.) lead to an uncertainty of at least 0.1°C. Thus it is not possible to declare a record U.S. temperature with confidence until a result is obtained that exceeds the temperature of 1934 by more than 0.1°C.

Here's what gets me:

People calling for Hansen's head haven't read stuff like this. They swallow the spin, mistakes and all. (And they're also frequently confusing U.S. with global, which makes it worse.)

GISS is more conservative than other analyses with regards to urban warming. This will "retard" their analysis with respect to observing a new U.S. temperature record. Is this "alarmism"?

I've seen a lot of people confusing the NOAA pronouncements, and their DIFFERENT analysis, and NASA GISS. McIntyre even said it was just "alphabet soup".

"This press release was widely covered as you can determine by googling "warmest year 2006 united states". Now NOAA and NASA are different organizations and NOAA, not NASA, made the above press release, but members of the public can surely be forgiven for not making fine distinctions between different alphabet soups."

But when people are disparaging someone's character, accusing them of agenda-driven science, and calling for his resignation...

I think having the FACTS right is somewhat important.

66 posted on 08/16/2007 4:43:22 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Thanks for your perspective and analysis.

Although I was aware that this is only for U.S. temperatures and not global temperatures, I found the data disparity interesting.


67 posted on 08/16/2007 4:49:04 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

This is a HUGE scandal but the MSM is in complete blackout.

They are blacking out all anti-leftiwng issues.


69 posted on 08/18/2007 7:08:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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72 posted on 08/18/2007 8:14:31 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Link to an earlier notice of the Climateaudit discussion (Climateaudit) and my analysis of the difference between global average temperatures I archived in 2002 and current averages (new vs old).

Hats off to Climateaudit.

73 posted on 08/18/2007 9:13:24 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: DaveLoneRanger

NOAA still shows 1998 and 2006 as being warmer than 1934. Will NASA now be branded as a nest of deniers?


74 posted on 08/18/2007 10:49:22 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

> A new scandal?

“Global Warming” is the Y2K of the 21st Century. It is the “Reds under the beds” of our Generation.

“New Scandal?” Crikey, yes! Lookit who is heading it up — the formerly thoroughly-discredited Al Gore “Inventor of the Internet” and failed Democrat Presidential Candidate.

A beautiful — if obvious — diversionary tactic by the Chicken-Little brigade. “The Sky is Falling! The Earth is Heating Up!”

And there are people out there who are just stupid and thick enough to fall for it. Some of them run governments around the world: so they sign up to a Kyoto Protocol, which will have no real meaningful effect except to transfer untold wealth from some productive parts of the planet to other free-loading parts.

Crikey! What a Scam!

*DieHard*


75 posted on 08/19/2007 4:58:30 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Good work on the Wayback Sherman!

But seriously, have the mods take your real name off this thread.

Buckhead got death threats. I’m not kidding.


76 posted on 08/19/2007 6:16:14 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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Is there anyway you could remove the names on post 68 without removing the post itself?


77 posted on 08/19/2007 6:18:43 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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secretagent, remember our discussion back in March that 1998 was no longer the warmest year in the NASA global temperature data and that somebody had been changing the data?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1793934/posts?page=82#82.

78 posted on 08/19/2007 6:48:56 AM PDT by rustbucket
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Received the following in my inbox:

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Sure, feel free to post it.
-—— Original Message -——
From: Ultra
To: Mike
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: “1998 was Colder than 1934...in 2002?”
Ah, I wasn’t aware of this (and yes, I am Ultra Sonic 007).
This ClimateAudit post seems to focus on the differences between data presented by GISS and how it was later presented by NOAA, whereas mine focuses on differences between the same page of GISS data, but at different times.
Still, this is quite interesting. Mind if I post this on the Free Republic thread?

From: Mike Sent: Fri 8/17/2007 2:48 PM To: Ultra Subject: “1998 was Colder than 1934...in 2002?”
I hope I am sending this to Ultra Sonic 007. I found your email address through links to your 8/12/07 article in Free Republic. I found that article through a link at junkscience.com.
Maybe others in the Comments section pointed this out, but your discovery that the GISS data has been fudged over time may not be an “FR Exclusive.” Check out this posting by Steve McIntyre on Climate Audit, 2/16/07:
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1142
If you have not read his post before, I think you will find it very interesting. Using a methodology that is different than yours but equally as clever, I think he found similar, if not identical anomalies, to yours. Don’t miss the Comments, either.
McIntyre’s recent discovery that the GISS data contained mathematical errors actually received some MSM coverage, most of it overblown. He merely exposed some minor, innocent math errors that were acknowledged and corrected. In my opinion, the anomalies you and McIntyre found in the older data should be much more newsworthy because those were likely the result of a deliberate effort to fudge the data to make the later years look hotter. That is what the MSM should be exposing.
Keep up the good work!
Regards,
Mike

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Thoughts?


80 posted on 08/19/2007 3:13:24 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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