Indonesia: Islamic Caliphate to attract 100,000

Adnkronos International ^ | 12 August

[george76]

The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7L05geznoI

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Are these Sunni or Shiite?

I do not know.

[expatguy]

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/08/rise-of-second-caliphate.html

[EBH]

Thanks for the link. There was a time my tagline dealt with islam being a theocracy. I have often written here about the inability of the West to comprehend dealing with a theocratic regime.

A 100,000 islamists multiplied by the 10's for those who could not attend. It is a reality many still deny. This is not about their religion, but about their politics. Politics that are in direct contradiction to Western values.

[JimSEA]

To paraphrase, "So much hatred, so little time."

Will the MSM ask Obama any questions about his opinion of this. If he is willing to nuke Pakistan, surely . . .

[expatguy]

I just posted the propaganda videos - you might want to take a look at them.

[expatguy]

Sunni

[expatguy]

+ping+

Hizub ut-Tahrir Propaganda Video

Report on massive rally in Indonesia

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

[Biggirl]

Folks, keep an eye on China because of its growing Christian population it is said according to this article could be a possible key to crushing Islam. This article just came out a few weeks ago.

http://atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

[reagan_fanatic]

How many representatives of CAIR will be there? You know CAIR - the organization that only wants to practice its religion in peace and co-exist with the rest of America?

[reeb88]

Reminds one of the Nuremburg rallies.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/548

May 10, 2006 update: James Brandon provides a fine overview in the Christian Science Monitor today of Hizb ut-Tahrir’s drive to re-establish the caliphate. Some excerpts:

Hizb ut-Tahrir says that Muslims should abolish national boundaries within the Islamic world and return to a single Islamic state, known as “the Caliphate,” that would stretch from Indonesia to Morocco and contain more than 1.5 billion people. It’s a simple and seductive idea that analysts believe may someday allow the group to rival existing Islamic movements, topple the rulers of Middle Eastern nations, and undermine those seeking to reconcile democracy and Islam and build bridges between East and West.

“A few years ago people laughed at them,” says Zeyno Baran, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and the leading expert on Hizb ut-Tahrir. “But now that [Osama] bin Laden, [Abu Musab al-] Zarqawi, and other Islamic groups are saying they want to recreate the Caliphate, people are taking them seriously.”

Even more moderate Muslim groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt pay lip-service to the ideal of reestablishing the Caliphate, leaving less ideological space for Muslims who want to move toward Western models of democracy. “The Caliphate is a rallying point between the radicals and the more moderate Islamists,” says Stephen Ulph, a senior fellow at the Jamestown Foundation. “The idea of a government based on the Caliphate has a historical pedigree and Islamic legitimacy that Western systems of government by their very nature do not have.”

But unlike Al Qaeda, Hizb ut-Tahrir believes it can recreate the Caliphate peacefully. Its activists aim to persuade Muslim political and military leaders that reestablishing the Caliphate is their Islamic duty. Once these leaders invite Hizb ut-Tahrir to take power - effectively staging a military coup - the party would then repeat the process in other countries before linking them up to form a revived Caliphate. …

Hizb ut-Tahrir promises that a revived Caliphate will end corruption and bring prosperity - though the group doesn’t say how. It will let Muslims challenge, and ultimately conquer, the West, its followers say. “The Muslim world has resources like oil but it lacks the leadership that will rule us by Islamic law and make this jihad that the whole world is afraid of,” says [Abdullah] Shakr, a Jordanian member of the group, who says the success of the Caliphate will also encourage more converts to Islam - eventually making the whole world Islamic. …

“Islam obliges Muslims to possess power so that they can intimidate - I would not say terrorize - the enemies of Islam,” says Abu Mohammed, a Hizb ut-Tahrir activist. “In the beginning, the Caliphate would strengthen itself internally and it wouldn’t initiate jihad.”

“But after that we would carry Islam as an intellectual call to all the world,” says Abu Mohammed, a pseudonym. “And we will make people bordering the Caliphate believe in Islam. Or if they refuse then we’ll ask them to be ruled by Islam.” And after that? Abu Mohammed pauses and fiddles with his Pepsi before replying. “And if after all discussions and negotiations they still refuse, then the last resort will be a jihad to spread the spirit of Islam and the rule of Islam,” he says, smiling. “This is done in the interests of all people to get them out of darkness and into light.”

[george76]

Thanks :

“But now that [Osama] bin Laden, [Abu Musab al-] Zarqawi, and other Islamic groups are saying they want to recreate the Caliphate, people are taking them seriously.”

I hope so.

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” Even more moderate Muslim groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt ...”

So much for the Coptic Christians in Egypt being killed by these “moderates.”

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“... then the last resort will be a jihad to spread the spirit of Islam and the rule of Islam,” he says, smiling. “This is done in the interests of all people to get them out of darkness and into light.”

Three choices : Muslims, slaves, or dead.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.himalmag.com/2004/march_april/opinion_3.htm

excerpt:

One of seventy-three
A recent personal experience would be more illustrative. Some months ago this writer attended a massive Barelvi gathering in Bombay, where there were impassioned speeches delivered by numerous Barelvi ulema thundering against various other Muslim groups. The writer asked a Barelvi scholar present what he thought about the fiery diatribes of the ulema against other Muslim sects, coming especially at a time when Muslims in India were being hounded by Hindutva fanatics. Was it not important for the ulema to help promote Muslim unity instead? The alim (scholar) turned and answered without batting an eyelid, “The Prophet had predicted more than 1400 years ago that the Muslims would be divided into 73 sects, all but one of which would go to hell. Now, if we try and promote unity between the sects that would be going against the saying of the Prophet himself. And that would be a very grave crime indeed!”

[Fred Nerks]

Now, if we try and promote unity between the sects that would be going against the saying of the Prophet himself. And that would be a very grave crime indeed!”

IMO it's going to be an uphill battle to establish a caliphate, when, out of 73 sects, only one is to be 'saved' and the remainder are destined for 'the fire'...

[george76]

I did not know that there were 73 sects.

Hopefully they will continue to kill each other before they try to wipe us out.

I have thought that the Muslims would try to kill all Jews, Christians, Buddists, Hindus...first...then turn on each other.

[Fred Nerks]

Hopefully they will continue to kill each other before they try to wipe us out.

hopefully, in any attempts to establish a caliphate, that is exactly what will happen first.

Hizb ut-Tahrir knows this only too well, that's why they maintain their efforts rely on political action rather than 'martyrdom'...they know they need the numbers to quell any resistence from within - they understand better than anyone, just how divided the muslim 'community' is.

Listen to this fellow in his vain attempts to patch over the cracks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6TH9pHpdX4

He says over and over again, there are NOT 73 sects, it's all simply a 'different interpretation' ... read between the lines.

Islam carries within itself the seeds of its own fragmentation. That hadith where mohammad says there will be 73 sects...is the root of the reason why (IMO) I keep hearing (reading from some muslims themselves) that the HADITH are not truly a part of the 'religion'. Have you run across this? Can you understand why?

It's within the hadith that the division into so many sects lies.

I cannot imagine islam as a whole giving up the entire collection of hadith...there were apparently some 62 volumes of the sayings and doings of mohammad.

As the entire 'religion' is nothing but tribal arab lore tacked onto the Original Testament of the hebrews and borrowings (plagiarism) from Christianity, giving up the hadith (the worship of mohammad!) would be like asking Christians to give up the New Testament! Think about that.

And where did the idea of 73 sects originate? Seems mohammad was convinced the Jews had split into 72 sects. And he wanted to go one better...

[COBOL2Java]

Have we become so ‘civilized’ (read PC), as we cannot see the danger in front of us, around us, and in pursuit of us?

It's not a new phenomenon. The civilized world reacted similarly in the 1930's...