[Fishrrman]

We are not prepared to take down Iran, Saudia Arabia, Pakistan, and Islamic Africa. Therefore, we have no need of a draft.

And, when the time comes to in fact take them down, we will not be able to do so withOUT a draft.

The struggle we are beginning to become involved in (and I chose those words carefully) is of such magnitude that it cannot be won with the handful of conscripts that we call a military today.

To eventually defeat and remove Islam from the earth will take an effort no less than the equal of, a commitment that involves sacrifices no less than that of World War II. Probably moreso.

Lots of erstwhile tough talkers about the war and about Islam on this forum. But whisper "D-R-A-F-T" and you see those of draft age grow defensive VERY quickly. Young conservative males run from such notions only a tad more slowly than do young liberal males (laughs).

Disclaimer: I myself was drafted - not once, but indeed TWICE. First time in October 1969, second time in May of 1970. I didn't like it then, but it probably sowed the seeds of my later "conservative conversion".

No draft until we need one. Agreed.

But sooner or later in this conflict, we WILL need one.

- John

[dragnet2]

But whisper "D-R-A-F-T" and you see those of draft age grow defensive VERY quickly.

Not all though, as it must be remembered, almost 18,000 Vietnam draftees were killed.

[af_vet_rr]

And, when the time comes to in fact take them down, we will not be able to do so withOUT a draft.

The time for an increase in the size of the military came after 9/11. Many of us advocated raising the caps and aggressively boosting the size of the military (without resorting to the draft). The first President Bush and then his successor Clinton gutted the military in the '90s, including a lot of people who, come 2001 - 2003. would have been mid-level NCOs and officers - i.e. the positions that normally get things done in the military.

The fact is, and the reason why this "War Czar" even brought up a draft and how stretched our troops (and the whole position of a "War Czar" is a joke, don't get me started) is that Bush failed to heed the call of many who said increase the size of the military after 2001 when it was clear we were in a huge war that would take place all over, and last for many years.

As it stands, there won't be a draft for the simple reason that Karl Rove and Mel Martinez won't risk the already shaky future of the GOP. If there is one thing that could unite young people, get them off their mostly apathetic butts (I live in an area with a huge college-age population and rarely see many of them vote) and get them out in large numbers to vote against the GOP, it would be a draft.